Boge":2b66t9nz said:
DGW1949":2b66t9nz said:
Ah....the infamous Coltberti BP guns...some of which weren't even finished by Colt, but by Iver Johnson.
When them secrets got out, it musta put some thorns in some sides....huh?
Current production?...heck, who can say?....might be years before we'd even know.
DGW
Not really. The Colt 2nd Gen BP Series has only increased in value. Colt did nothing new here. Winchester "farmed" out lots of their gun work in the 19th century under the "contract" system of the time.
Well, let me clarify for you....
Didn't say that the Coltbertis was bad guns. Actualy Uberti makes a perty-dern good colt copy. Leastways, I know that their SAA's are.
And yeah on the value increase.... Colt markets a revolver, then quits selling it...POOF!...instant collectable. They did that quite a lot back then. Viper, Agent and Diamondback ring a bell?
Lots of market appeal in a name...be it a real Colt, a Coltberti or whatever...long as it's got that dancing mule stamped on it somewhere, someone will pay the big bucks.
On the other hand, I've known people that were very upset when they later found out that they'd paid a Colt price for a Uberti gun. And rightfully so...strikes me as being closer to deception, than to outsourcing. Especialy in light of all the advertizing hype being spewed about back then.
Far as Winchester goes....I don't know anything about 19th century "contracts", but I do know that the copies they sold lately are marked "made in Japan", so's at least you'd know up front what you're buying. No deception there at all...unless you're expecting it to be a remake of a real '92...which it aint. Way too much stuff has been changed around inside for that. When you get down to it, it's actualy just a Jap-made '92-clone of sorts, made by a Japanese company, but with the Winchester name stamped in.
These kind of discussions could go on forever, and about all that realy comes of them is that someone eventualy gets their feelings hurt. If that is what I've caused here, I apologize...it weren't my intent. It's just that I tend to call a spade a spade, and I tend to see things mostly in black and white. So... being's how I don't have much gray area available, the only term I have for the Coltbertis and Jap made Winchesters is....clone.
If it suits you better to call them "outsourced" though, go right ahead. You won't hurt my feelings a bit.
DGW
