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I actually got paid once with a counterfeit $5 bill. I wasn't aware those criminals went that low.
As a kid, I read a book on the history of the Secret Service. There was a case where someone counterfeited nickels. They didn't catch the guy but he dumped his stash in a lake and divers were sent down to scour the bottom for fake coins. The authorities could not fathom why anyone would go to the trouble to fake five cent pieces.
 
Is this the beginning of the end for cash? What's next? Nickles, dimes, quarters? Paper money?o_O

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Question: does this mean that tax on every item will be $1? Or: is this a way to get use all to use electronic payments for everything? And: will all those pennies go up in value for collectors? I think that I'll stop leaving pennies in the "Penny -- take one if you need one; leave one if you don't" cup at the convenience stores?
 
They are talking about doing away with a PHYSICAL penny - not the NUMBERS to the right of the decimal point. If you buy several things that are all $1.99, they're not going to round each item up to $2.00. They're gonna total them up and if you pay with plastic, you'll pay the exact amount - regardless of total. Why wouldn't you - no PHYSICAL pennies are involved in a digital transaction. If you pay with cash and the total is $39.99, unless you have exactly $39.99 to give them, your total goes to $40 because they won't have an actual penny to give back to you from your two twenties.
 
As a kid, I read a book on the history of the Secret Service. There was a case where someone counterfeited nickels. They didn't catch the guy but he dumped his stash in a lake and divers were sent down to scour the bottom for fake coins. The authorities could not fathom why anyone would go to the trouble to fake five cent pieces.
Yea, they're called Henning nickels. I used to see em on ebay, apparently they're collectable now
 
Since this got in to Nickels, this is where the term "don't Josh me" came from.
I copied the story from the web.

The Tale of Josh Tatum and His 1883 Racketeer Nickel

In numismatics, there are several factors that could draw a collector to a particular coin. Some of the most popular coins in US history are those with an interesting story. The 1883 "Racketeer Nickel" is the prime example of an iconic coin whose popularity stems from its wild origin tale.

In 1883, the Mint debuted the brand-new Liberty Head Nickel as the successor to the retired Shield Nickel. Like the Liberty Head gold coins of the day, the new nickel's obverse displayed a left-facing bust of Lady Liberty. This was customary of the time, and if one were not paying attention, coins of the same size could easily be mistaken for one another.

The Liberty Head Nickel's reverse was fairly nondescript, as its main design element was the Roman numeral for five to indicate the coin's denomination of five cents. The failure to explicitly state "five cents," however, left room for a crafty mind to take advantage of the design.

The legend goes that in February 1883, a deaf-mute Bostonian named Josh Tatum realized the Liberty Head Nickel and Liberty Head Half Eagle were roughly the same size. He also noticed the absence of "cents" below the Roman numeral five on the nickel. Upon these realizations, Tatum saw an opportunity and wasted no time in executing his plan.

Tatum quickly gathered 1,000 nickels and took them to a local pawn shop, where he asked a broker to plate the coins in gold. The broker obliged, and it was time for Tatum to put his theory to the test.

To Tatum's delight, his hunch had proven correct: he was, in fact, able to pass the gold-plated nickels off as half eagles. So, from store to store he went, purchasing items for the cost of a nickel and receiving $4.95 in change.

Tatum successfully turned his scheme into a rather lucrative endeavor. According to the legend, he went from town to town, scamming any store owner who fell for his tricks. In total, he accumulated a whopping $15,000 from his fraudulent nickels!

However, despite a good run, Tatum was eventually caught and arrested for his swindling scheme. After his arrest, charges were pressed and he headed to trial.

As if Tatum hadn't had enough luck, he caught a very fortunate break in the courtroom. His lawyer, who was apparently as clever as his client, found an opening to beating the prosecution.

Tatum's inability to speak, his lawyer argued, meant he could not have told the storekeepers the coins were worth five dollars. He simply placed the coins on the counter and received the change he was given. Unable to combat the defense's claims, the prosecutor had no choice but to acquit Tatum on all charges!

After the ordeal, the Mint wasted no time in altering the nickels' design to place "cents" under the Roman numeral five.

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The last real pennies were made in 1982 out of copper. They went to a copper coated zinc penny after that. If you metal detect one of those zinc pennies they just corrode away in a few years. You can find an Indian head penny from the 1860's and it will still look good. I am surprised it costs so much to make the new junk pennies.
 
Hope they don't do what they did in the 30's and revalue the dollar, but if they did, maybe it could make the penny relevant again. Or maybe obsolete the nickel and dime…
 
Has anyone purchased goods and services with a small precious metal coin? I had a few gold coins at 1/10 ounce.
I did it in SC. The states below all allow precious metals to be used as currency, with more pending. I have always bought precious metals like a prepper- Good quantities but in small denominations for easy use. Gold from 1/2 gram up to 5 gram bars, Silver from Breakaway comb-ibars (100 individually stamped grams worth about a buck each) up to 1 oz rounds. Copper is the third traditional currency metal. I just happen to have 5 gallon water bottle filled with copper ( 1958-1979 ( leaving a buffer on either side for metal transitions) pennies.

State allowing the use of P.M. for currency so far.

Arizona
Kansas
Tennessee
Wyoming
Idaho
Indiana
Louisiana
Oklahoma
South Carolina
Texas
Utah
West Virginia
 
The last real pennies were made in 1982 out of copper. They went to a copper coated zinc penny after that. If you metal detect one of those zinc pennies they just corrode away in a few years. You can find an Indian head penny from the 1860's and it will still look good. I am surprised it costs so much to make the new junk pennies.
Actually 1982 was the year of transition, Both copper and copper plated zinc were made that year. Also, they did a little "experimenting" in 1981 adding a bit more nickel to the bronze. Source: U.S. Coin Digest.
 
What I've read is that for change, they'll round to the nearest nickel.

So . . . will OTC prices still be posted including right down to cents and the "rounding" take place at checkout? Will cash registers be reprogrammed to perform this calculation?

If rounding occurs both "up" and "down" what would the statistics be on whether we win or lose at checkout over time?

Or will the cent-cancelling gummint just pass a law that things cannot be priced requiring individual cents, with nickels being the lowest denomination required/used?

And how will sales tax be calculated? Same "rounding " procedure . . . or always "up"? ;)
 
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And how will sales tax be calculated? Same "rounding " procedure . . . or always "up"? ;)

Based on the article that I read, the rounding would happen on the total after tax. The article said that the rounding would slightly favor the customer.

However, since so few people use cash, the point is largely moot.
 
There were seven CENT varieties minted for circulation in 1982, as follows

The 7 Business Strike Varieties:
  • 1982 Large Date Copper.
  • 1982 Large Date Copper plated Zinc.
  • 1982 Small Date Copper.
  • 1982 Small Date Copper plated Zinc.
  • 1982 D Large Date Copper.
  • 1982 D Large Date Copper plated Zinc.
  • 1982 D Small Date Copper plated Zinc.
Plus the "S" mint for the proof sets.
 
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