Ruger RXM?

[GasGuzzler]

Most of the attach crap to your 100 yard EDC is fantasy.

I am not the only one saying it. And this topic is supposed to be about an EDC gun no one needs if they bought the proper thing 20 years ago. All the gee-gaws in the world do not justify unneeded change or unneeded accessories.

100 yard capabilities for and EDC are silly...and generally untrue.

 

[gc70]

This was my DC Carry Permit Qualifier. My reaction times were frightening most of the others attempting to qualify.

At close range I'm on the third shot before the gun reaches eye level!!!

 

[Hvymax]

Most of the attach crap to your 100 yard EDC is fantasy.

I am not the only one saying it. And this topic is supposed to be about an EDC gun no one needs if they bought the proper thing 20 years ago. All the gee-gaws in the world do not justify unneeded change or unneeded accessories.

100 yard capabilities for and EDC are silly...and generally untrue.

You never know what you will need till you need it. I didn't build it to be a 100yard pocket pistol. I built it to be the most capable pocket pistol that I could. Once I started putting it through it's paces I found out just how capable it was. Once you find out that you can do 2" at 25 yards why wouldn't you try to see what you can do at 100??? Would you shoot a 22 rifle a hundred yards??? After that I decided that anything I carry needs to be equally if not more capable. My LCP still finds its way into my pocket every now and then if I'm in gym shorts or something but the comfort of knowing that I have a Firearm in my pocket that should be capable of anything that might come up is worth it. I don't EDC my Dagger because I don't want to have to dress around it I EDC my Max9. For me the addition of the dot makes me exponentially more effective with any of them though. The laser on my Dagger as well. I can have shots on target before the gun reaches eye level or even holding it off to the side etc. I would be deliberately handicapping myself to use anything less. I wish the Max9 had a rail for a small laser as well!!! At close range the laser is awesome. I can make precise hits from almost any position!!! I can be reaching over or around something moving to cover etc and see exactly where the bullet will go. Imagine some road rager taking pot shots at you as you watch the dot going up the car door. The less able I become the more able I need my tools to be. Admittedly having my own range allows me to practice drills most people can't. Shooting from moving cars and motorcycles can be an interesting challenge just because I can.

 

[Hvymax]

Actually I can read a compass. Own quite a few of them. And do not have a flintlock. YET, but never to late. I do have muzzle loaders.
Yes, I have tried a Red Dot. Open minded. But for me and the years of Point and shoot skills I acquired, they were just slowing me down, way down. I do have a few on some of my shotguns and AR's. But that is a different ball game,

The problem is that you were trying to replace your point and shoot skills instead of adding something to them. It's not either or. If I'm shooting like I would an actual threat I have 2 shots off before the gun reaches eye level. At 10yds I can get the first 2 somewhere in the torso before the dot settles in front of me for an A shot usually in under 2 seconds from the draw. Once I have the dot I can get 3-5 aimed shots per second. Not to mention that I can still Cowitness the irons at any time for any reason if needed. We discovered the same thing with lasers shooting IPSC in the 90's. Hunting for the dot slowed us down but when we had a red dot on top it was as simple as See Dot Shoot Dot. If the dot isn't automatically in your field of view experiment with a few foam wedges until it is. Just like shotgun shooting. If the gun doesn't fit you won't hit.

 

[Hvymax]

With the dot it's as simple as See Dot Shoot Dot. I was shooting IPSC, IDPA and IHMSA back in the 80's and 90's. I have a 25 yard range right from my patio. I can shoot 100 if I go out by the barn to shoot. So yeah I can randomly draw and fire pretty much any time I feel like unless the Wife is working from home in a meeting or something. I can set up any drill I can think of just to do it. Anyone can show up at an IDPA match with a decent holster and a few mags. It's really great practice. Shooting against the clock gives you a bit of the adrenaline and stress you might experience if you ever had to do it for real. Not as real as people shooting back but more than randomly plinking at paper and bottles. The same with steel shooting and long range. Trying out a long range match with your Walmart Savage won't hurt anything. You will learn what you are capable of though and maybe even develop your capabilities at those distances.
I'm not some Jerry Miculek I just practice at random and sometimes long ranges just to see if I can hit anything and if I do I'll try to see how well I can do it. Anyone can practice dry fire drills and even "live fire" with an airsoft pretty much anywhere. You can find airsoft versions of most commonly available pistols that will fit your hand and holster just like the real one so the muscle memory is fully transferrable.

 

[Hvymax]

The beauty of the Gen 3 Glock platform is that the aftermarket is almost endless. Mild to Wild can all be had for a few hundred dollars. I'm a fan of the Magpul grip slightly more than the Palmetto but I'm not sure Ruger is really bringing anything substantial to the table here. Not to mention how late to the game Ruger is. These seem to be selling faster than anyone can get them so that's a good thing. It's still not nearly as cool as going to the Palmetto site and choosing from Dozens of slide/barrel configurations and compact or full size grips for a few hundred dollars. Having the slide in 3 days I already had it set up when I finally got the frame from my FFL. I honestly think Palmetto should set up boutique stores where you can build your gun like Build a Bear for men. I can mix and match as needed. There are several sub $100 carry comps available. If Red Dots and Comps suck so much why are all the unlimited class shooters using them instead of plain old stock setups??? Mine is actually more accurate with the $20 plain rifled barrel.

 

[hike]

WHY?
Who are these "Some People"? How many are there?

I, for one. After using a first-year Dagger and handling a new RXM, I knew the RXM was a nicer-to-use pistol.
Having no dog in the Glock-clone fight, I can say without and prejudice and just preference for a nicer handling pistol.

 

[hittman]

If somebody "needs killing" at 100 yards, I'll call 911. I'm already far enough away there's no need to retreat unless that threat is aiming a rifle at me.

Rifles are made for killing …. EDC guns and most all handguns are made for sport or recreation or self defense.

 

[Mike J]

I wouldn't plan on having a need to defend myself with a handgun in a situation where a 100 yard shot was necessary. I sure wouldn't mind having a pistol that I believed was capable of doing it though. I haven't shot my Max 9 at anything like that range but I did recently put a red dot on it & I shoot more accurately with the dot than without. I wouldn't expect to need to use a pistol on a threat at 30 or 40 yards either but if I recall correctly there was a church shooting in Texas sometime back where a person on the church security team did exactly that. He stopped the shooter dead in his tracks.
I have a friend that I shoot with sometimes. We were shooting together I backed up to take some shots at 25 yards. He said that was murder distance, basically saying it would be difficult to claim self defense if the threat were that far away. I replied if I can make good hits at 25 it should be a piece of cake if they are closer. I don't really believe it harmful to have capabilities above what I think will be needed.
Whether I like optics and think they are a good idea or not they are the future of handgunning. They are becoming more & more prevalent. I only have one pistol with an optic cut. I am still messing around getting comfortable with it but once I get used to it there may be more.

 

[doberman3030]

My first 9mm was a Ruger SR9C Limited Edition in DLC. It was a good gun. I now have a Shield and 6 Sigs. I have always avoided Glock because it felt like you were holding a 2X4. The RMX is, in my opinion, an uglier Glock. I was intrigued by all the features for the price but wanted to compare it with the Echelon Compact before spending money on yet another gun. The Echelon is ambi but is kind of snappy.

Well, I shot an RMX today. 15 rounds convinced me to buy it. If you bought/built a glock with all the features and capability as the
RMX you'd easily have $800-1000 in it. It's like shooting a Glock 19 with a trigger job, optic ready for multiple types, taller metal sights (tritium dot in front, blacked out in the rear and 1/3 co-witness with a red dot). Even then you'd still have a 23 degree grip angle if you got the Glock instead. Plus you wouldn't have the modularity this thing does. It's like getting a much improved Glock for half price.

I also think that Magpul will push the modular concept here in order to make money. I hope that will force other manufactures to step up their game.

So, the thing that sold me on buying new holsters, mags, etc to go with this gun was shooting it. The combo of a good trigger and a much softer recoil impulse than I'm used to....even with comped guns.....opened my eyes a bit. Combining this gun with a good optic will be money. It stays flat, is not snappy, and lets you get the next shot off quickly. People spend hundreds to get their glocks to this level and they still have the weird grip with no modularity. I'm waiting for Magpul to offer a 17 round grip module in black. For $40 more bucks I basically get another new gun.

Kind of makes you wonder why Glock has refused to do this. If they had, Sig may not have all the defense contracts they now hold for the P320. I think Ruger and Magpul have made the best Glock clone that double the money for it can buy....without costing double the money. But....it is kind of ugly, it just shoots good.

 

[gc70]

It does not look like a lot of difference (comparisons from HandgunHero.com).

 

[Swampbilly_2]

So I ran across this. Details are sparse. It appears someone let the cat out of the bag before they were supposed to. It appears to be a Glock 19 sized pistol with a removable FCU that could possibly be moved from on frame to another (similar to Sig's design). It seems it is a collaboration with Magpul & the slide would be optic cut.

Is it just me who is missing the days when Ruger innovated and designed firearms to be Ruger...not trying to be Glock. When I purchased my first Ruger, I passed on Glock to make that Ruger choice.

 

[davevabch]

I am guessing that Ruger is having a tough time. We now live in an age where we have dozens of fine, quality firearms at budget prices. CNC technology, more innovative engineering, moden metals, competition from foreign Countries and on and on. Ruger has become almost boring. And now they have to have a Glock Clone to generate any interest. Glock clones are a dime a dozen. And there will be more to come. And the competition will be fierce. Is Ruger putting all their eggs into the clone business?

 

[blume357]

I took a class at the Sig Academy a few years back in shooting a pistol at distance. One of the best parts of that class was listening to the friend who was with me giggle as he hit a life sized silhouette shooting a 1911 at 120 yards. My wife says I should not say he was 'giggling' since he is a retired Marine gunny.... but he was.

 

[The Norseman]

Long barrel Revolvers, short barrel Revolvers
and long barrel Pistols, short barrel Pistols, I
always practice and familiarize myself at
100 yards when possible.

You would be amazed how easy it is to
hit a milk jug size target at 100 yards.
As always just watch your front sight.

The Best to you and your Endeavors.

 

[Mike J]

I am guessing that Ruger is having a tough time. We now live in an age where we have dozens of fine, quality firearms at budget prices. CNC technology, more innovative engineering, moden metals, competition from foreign Countries and on and on. Ruger has become almost boring. And now they have to have a Glock Clone to generate any interest. Glock clones are a dime a dozen. And there will be more to come. And the competition will be fierce. Is Ruger putting all their eggs into the clone business?

Ruger has been in the clone business for a long time.

 

[hittman]

Since 1949

 

[davevabch]

Ruger has been in the clone business for a long time.

What I would like is to see them clone the CZ SA/DA Nocturne. Why can't they diversify? Why no 6 shot 38? Why no 32 light weigh? Why does Lipseys have to show them how it is done?

Description

Third generation of the successful polymer pistol series with the OMEGA SA/DA Trigger Mechanism
The new CZ P-09 NOCTURNE F (Full-size) and C (Compact) models not only retain all key features of the previous CZ P-07/09 generation, but in some ways takes them even further. It comes with improved ergonomics, the ability to mount a red dot sight without a plate, and controls that further expand the features found in the CZ P-09 family.
What´s new?

• New texture pattern for improved traction
• Additional textured areas on grip for an even more secure hold in hand
• New Optics-Ready interface compatible with Shield RMS and Holosun K footprints
• Contrast and luminescent three dot sight picture
• Enhanced front cocking serrations
• New slide stop design for easier control
• Improved ergonomics of ambidextrous decocker and manual safety

What has carried over from the CZ P-07 & P-09?

• Cold hammer forged barrel
• Omega SA/DA trigger mechanism
• Interchangeable, ambidextrous safety levers, manual safety to decocker
• Reliability with different types of ammunition
• Mechanically and thermally stable fiberglass-reinforced polymer frame
• MIL-STD-1913 rail for mounting accessories
• Three sizes of interchangeable backstraps to modify grip

CZ P-09 Nocturne Instruction Manual

 

[Mike J]

So, you don't mind them making clones. They just aren't cloning what you want. CZ's are very nice. I have a friend that has gotten somewhat strung out on them the past few years. I've gotten to shoot Shadow 2's, Shadow 2 Compacts, CZ 75 BD. SP 01, P-07 & there are others I haven't gotten to shoot yet. He has turned into a CZ trigger snob. I haven't gotten to shoot the Nocturne yet. Two different types of pistols, manuals of arms, etc. between them & Glock. The one thing CZ has in common with Glock is there are a lot of clones out there.

 

[Baxter6551]

I handled one at the range today after owner finished shooting. He paid $420 plus tax at LGS. I liked the feel of grip. Great sights. Trigger felt really great with good reset. Much better than a Glock trigger IMO (I hate shooting Glocks). I think Ruger has a winner with this gun at this price.