Ruger LC 45 First Shot Anolamy
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GunnyGene
Hawkeye
vlavalle
Single-Sixer
Thanks for the clarity, but there is no such ammo as .45 LC Carbine. There is perhaps a .45 LC Carbine rifle, which shoots .45 LC. Does it also shoot .45 ACP? Is that what all this confusion is about? I own a Ruger .45 LC Convertible, and I can shoot either .45 LC, or .45 ACP with a cylinder swap. But there is never any issue shooting the shorter .45 ACP rounds. I switch back and forth easily between the two calibers.
The title of the thread literally says "Ruger LC 45". It does not say 45LC nor have anything to do with 45LC ammo.
NikA
Hunter
GunnyGene
Hawkeye
Specifically Model 19309. In case there is any more 'confusion'. There is also a 10mm model 19307, plus the 5.7x28mm models in 19300 series. It would be useful if folks used the Ruger Model number when starting a thread or discussing a particular firearm.
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vlavalle
Single-Sixer
Thanks again! I guess I did not see the difference, but apparently there is a definite one.
GunnyGene
Hawkeye
For folks used to 5 or 6 pound rifles, yes. But not counting ammo and rounding to whole lbs, it's 3 lbs less than the old Thompson's, 2 lbs less than the Garand & M-14, 1 lb less than the M3 subgun, and 9 lbs less than the M1918 BAR. Even a few ounces lighter than the M16A2. All of which I've hauled around and fired.
Yeah I don't quite understand the weight either. 10mm would make a a solid hunting option. I still think they could make it a takedown like the 10-22 and be a serious market contender.
GunnyGene
Hawkeye
Maybe they will eventually. They don't pay their engineers to sit around playing pinochle.
It's kinda sad. Almost everything Ruger has done for years was either a MeeeToooo copycat or a Half Measure. Ruger used to fill the envelope with powder and light it off!!! I think it started with the LCP which is a Kel Tec with quality control. There's been a few decent semi autos here and there but they haven't had a decent Legacy Gun since the Blackhawk. Ruger has always had the capability to make a solid Legacy Product but hasn't. Instead they go from design to design abandoning each after a few years. Look at Glock. They came out with a solid product and even while making constant upgrades and different models maintained the integrity of the platform. That's why they are the World Standard for handgun magazines among other things. Anyone try to find a mag for a 30yr old Ruger pistol lately except for the LCP? Ruger could easily produce a Hammer Fired Chassis like some of the recent Sig's that could fit different grip modules, slides etc, have DA/SA/DC as well as various safety options. Ruger most noteworthy feature currently is takedown rifles. Why would they waste time with anything that doesn't? Currently they don't even seem to be doing anything particularly well. My Max9 is the first gun I have ever sent back for repair. It's a pretty well known issue that the slide lock spring pops off and they did nothing to get ahead of it. They just seemed to plod along only fixing the ones that were sent in. How many people actually shoot theirs enough to even notice the issue? Will they find out when their lives are depending on the gun going bang??? I know that I can depend on my Gen1 LCP at least which is why I didn't have any reservations buying a Max9.
Being that the barrel ends about half way through the stock/chassis making this a take down would be difficult and how much would you gain?
The length of the carbine with the stock folded is already pretty short.
I bet it would also add a fair amount to the cost.
I agree with you totally about how long they leave a particular gun model in production.
How many years did we have the MkI and MkII 22's before they ran through the MkIII and currently the MkIV?
What other major firearms manufacturer has gone through so many models in such a short period of time.
I am no fan of the MkIV and certainly all the friggen sleeved barrel revolvers the currently push. Reminds me of a Charter Arms revolver and I would bet done for the soul reason of saving money.
Don't get me wrong, I really like Ruger and own a lot of them. It is quite discouraging that most of them are on Rugers not serviced anymore list.
To add;
Security six guns
P series autos
Original Police carbine
96 series
77/357 Walnut
Original 77, at least it had an adjustable trigger
The high polish No.1's
And, I seem to remember MkII's and Single Six's costing about the same.
What happened!
I'm sure I left something out, rant over
Security six guns
P series autos
Original Police carbine
96 series
77/357 Walnut
Original 77, at least it had an adjustable trigger
The high polish No.1's
And, I seem to remember MkII's and Single Six's costing about the same.
What happened!
I'm sure I left something out, rant over
UPDATE:
I purchased a box of Hornady Critical Duty 185 grain. While checking velocities, I had the same anomaly of first shot having lower velocity. The first shot was 60 fps below the average (1208 fps).
I then loaded two rounds and closed the bolt. Pointing the barrel downward, then level and firing the two shots, the first shot was 70 fps slower than the second.
Then loading the magazine with another two shots, pointing the barrel up, then level and firing the two shots. The difference in velocity between those two shots was 4 FPS! That's right 4 fps.
So at this point, it's my opinion that the powder in the case is in a different position when first chambered than subsequent shots. So it's not a mechanical issue. It's an issue of fast powder in a fat case not occupying available capacity (maybe why the 45 GAP was born). At some point I will try some slow powder that uses 80+ volume and see what the velocity deviation is.
By the way - this does not happen with my 9mm Henry Homesteader. Case capacity is better utilized I presume.
I purchased a box of Hornady Critical Duty 185 grain. While checking velocities, I had the same anomaly of first shot having lower velocity. The first shot was 60 fps below the average (1208 fps).
I then loaded two rounds and closed the bolt. Pointing the barrel downward, then level and firing the two shots, the first shot was 70 fps slower than the second.
Then loading the magazine with another two shots, pointing the barrel up, then level and firing the two shots. The difference in velocity between those two shots was 4 FPS! That's right 4 fps.
So at this point, it's my opinion that the powder in the case is in a different position when first chambered than subsequent shots. So it's not a mechanical issue. It's an issue of fast powder in a fat case not occupying available capacity (maybe why the 45 GAP was born). At some point I will try some slow powder that uses 80+ volume and see what the velocity deviation is.
By the way - this does not happen with my 9mm Henry Homesteader. Case capacity is better utilized I presume.
Good work, thanks for sharing.
Sounds totally reasonable to me.
