When I bought mine a couple of years ago they had never been cataloged in the USA. Mainly exported to countries like Great Briton where the cant own NATO rounds like the 223. Popular with their fox hunting crowd or so I have been told. There were supposed to only be something like 500 or so in the states the year I got mine
Saw one yesterday at a local shop around the KC area. Don't remember the price but will pass on the shop info if anyone is interested. If it wasn't in the matte stainless I would have given it another look...
Does Ruger have a "small action" to build the 222 on or this a 222 in a full size 77?
I prefer things like the Sako and Cooper once a guy starts working with and shooting smaller cases.
Sort of reminds me of buying a 28 guage shot gun made on a 20 gauge frame.
For those not familar the 222 was the darling of BR circles for years before the advent of the PPCs and BRs. AT the time it held a vast majority of the accuracy records and it is a mild and inhierently cartridge.
It also predates the .223 and other than cheap will do anything a 223 will do. For reloading the longer neck very well may be a plus.
Jim: There was a Carpenter .222 on GD a week or so ago.
I just bought a Ruger Mark II Carpenter 222 that was advertised in the classified section of this forum. It is NIB with all the original paperwork. Got it for under $600, which I thought was reasonable. Looks like a pretty gun. Can't wait to get her out!
Ross,as for the Sako I have to agree on the small action.This heavy barrel L469 Vixen with a old Balvar 8A in 222 mag will shoot almost any load in the same hole at 100yds.I have the same thing in a sporter and it will do almost as well.
To me they look like any other short action Ruger. 99.9% sure the actions are the same as any other and has a similar barrel profile to any 223 , 243 , etc. and did not look like an ultralight barrel. I have seen these in the Carpenter , MkII and Hawkeye versions now and the only difference I can see is in the finishes. (except the fancier Carpenter)
Ross, there is no "tiny" action from Ruger, just short, long, and magnum. My .17Rem is built on the "tiny" Sako action. Some of you Sako guys will have to help me out on the right number for that action. It's one of my few non-Ruger rifles. Weighs about five pounds with one of those pencil thin 20" High Standard barrels on it.
Ross, I saw that carpenter on GB. I just hate to buy that "commemorative" and then shoot it. If the prices get lower, I may cave on it. I still have my heart set on a 1AB in "tripple-deuce".
Randy has one, or had one, but alas not enough Benjamins at my house at this time.
I'd love to find out how those Carpenters shoot if anybody who has one has shot his.
Jimmy: The little action designed for the small cases with the case head size of the 17 Remington, 222 and 223 is the A1 Capital "A" Roman Numeral "I". For comparison the 30-06 action is the AIV.
I built my 17 Mach IV using one and a Douglas barrel and a McMillan stock. I have a factory Vixen in 222 and another in 222Mag.
Best one is a 17-222 a guy bought at a bank auction. He thought it was a 17 Remington and had a terrible time reloading for it and never managed to make any cases. I offered him my 17 Mach IV form die whch would work to take the 222 down to .20 and then on down to .17 caliber and explained how to fire form the shoulder. Guy was so bummed out he declined the offer and then called back a week later and sold me the gun for $200.
I think I'll have to be content with my AB in 223. Fun little rifle and a bit easier to find than one in 222. I do still have an "extra" non prefix AH in 222. One gets shot, a lot and the other sits in the shelf looking pretty.
I stopped at Buckhorn last time I was in Boise and they were using the 77/Hornet and making it into some small centerfire. Didn't get the particulars as it seems like a waste of a really good rifle.
My 17 Mach IV weighs under 5 pounds, scoped. THe original O"Brian .17 Mach IV, built on the small Sako action, weighs just a little over 4 1/2 pounds and looks like a tiny Weatherby Mk V. That's a fun one to play with.
Here is my little one.(no pun intended) This was one of P.O.Ackley's personal rifles.A local gunsmith who was a personal friend of Ackley talked him out of it back in the early 60's.I have owned it since 1967.Sako L46 action,20" three groove Ackley barrel chambered in 17/222.Weight is also just under 5 lb with scope,overall length is just 38".Never get tired carring this one.About 3 lbs lighter than the Ruger MK11 222 .
Ross,here is the loading data that came with it,how does it compare with what you have?