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Bearcat
Fox Firearms in Grants Pass. Definitely worth a visit. I'm not saying that just because I have a half dozen guns there for sale .....
I had the Ruger shipped there from Dury's guns off Gunbroker. Used my C&R FFL to do the buy.
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I had the Ruger shipped there from Dury's guns off Gunbroker. Used my C&R FFL to do the buy.
Well how about that! We're sorta neighbors. I almost stopped by Fox today but I was behind schedule. I live in Rogue River, about 8 miles up West Evans.
I've been going to Doc Holliday's- they honor the 3 day release if OSP is backed up. I will say, Fox has more ammo and better prices.
I did stop by Cash Connection- they still have the stag handle 3 screw .357. I stop by there weekly if possible, every once in a while they get something interesting.
I've been going to Doc Holliday's- they honor the 3 day release if OSP is backed up. I will say, Fox has more ammo and better prices.
I did stop by Cash Connection- they still have the stag handle 3 screw .357. I stop by there weekly if possible, every once in a while they get something interesting.
dsf
Bearcat
I like Doc Holliday's too, have bought a few guns there - Smith Model 58 recently.
I'd like to buy at Cash Connection but they won't honor my C&R. They will (at least in GP) allow me to buy anything based on owning a home in Merlin and showing my property tax. But I'm a bit hesitant to do that, all the other stores say "no go".
Shameless plug - I have an Evil Roy and a Dan Wesson Heritage at Fox, along with some High Standards. I usually give Dianne a little leeway on selling $$$.
I'd like to buy at Cash Connection but they won't honor my C&R. They will (at least in GP) allow me to buy anything based on owning a home in Merlin and showing my property tax. But I'm a bit hesitant to do that, all the other stores say "no go".
Shameless plug - I have an Evil Roy and a Dan Wesson Heritage at Fox, along with some High Standards. I usually give Dianne a little leeway on selling $$$.
My last gun- Blackhawk Convertible- came from Doc's.
I looked into the C&R but I was told Oregon no longer honors it for purchases like they used to. Anything to make buying a gun more difficult.
I'll have to take a look next time I'm at Fox. None of those are on my radar currently, but it never hurts to look!
I looked into the C&R but I was told Oregon no longer honors it for purchases like they used to. Anything to make buying a gun more difficult.
I'll have to take a look next time I'm at Fox. None of those are on my radar currently, but it never hurts to look!
dsf
Bearcat
My C&R has my CA (residence) address on it, that may be a difference re using in OR. Although, most of what I buy stays in OR. The C&R is good for buying out of state, just picked up 2 guns in Maine visiting home and driving back to CA. And so far as I know, there's no restrictions on shipping direct to a C&R holder in OR when buying on line.
Unfortunate what's happening in OR with guns. I hold out hope that any state that has a gun store in a pharmacy won't get worse!
Unfortunate what's happening in OR with guns. I hold out hope that any state that has a gun store in a pharmacy won't get worse!
That's what it is. Oregon will not recognize a C&R from Oregon under SB941 from 2015. That's the background check law. But since your license is from CA, the dealer can use that. Good deal! I may still get one just in case for out of state trips.
Ok,
Let's talk C&R.........
It is an FFL. With restrictions. Other than class 3 (Full auto, Suppressed, SBR, ect) , any firearm over 50 years old is eligible to be purchased by, and shipped to a C&R holder.
I realize the socialist states make their own rules, but, I have never heard of a state restricting C&R sales.
BTW, I'm in Washington & FFL's ship to my home all the time.
Write it out of their book to my FFL #. At that point their liability ends.
Period. End of story.
Curious for response's
JAYDAWG
Let's talk C&R.........
It is an FFL. With restrictions. Other than class 3 (Full auto, Suppressed, SBR, ect) , any firearm over 50 years old is eligible to be purchased by, and shipped to a C&R holder.
I realize the socialist states make their own rules, but, I have never heard of a state restricting C&R sales.
BTW, I'm in Washington & FFL's ship to my home all the time.
Write it out of their book to my FFL #. At that point their liability ends.
Period. End of story.
Curious for response's
JAYDAWG
From someone else's research:
I finally got a reply from Senator Betsy Johnson. She asked the legislative counsel (lawyers who work for the legislator determining legal aspects of laws) about the C&R. Here is their response.
in summary: The license is now useless. The law would have had to specifically exempt "collectors", and it did not. An attempt was made to address this issue in a later legislative session, ans it went nowhere. Because, anything Oregon can do to make it hard to buy a gun- they do.
"You have asked our office about the application of the criminal background check requirement in section 2 of Senate Bill 941 (chapter 50, Oregon Laws 2015, soon to be codified as ORS 166.435) to Curios and Relics federal firearms licensees. I believe the specific license you are asking about is the collector license referenced in 18 U.S.C. §923(b).
In interpreting the meaning of statutes, courts discern the legislative intent by looking first to the text and context of the statute and any relevant legislative history. State v. Gaines, 346 Or. 160, 171-172 (2009). If, after a review of the text, context and legislative history, the court concludes that the meaning of the statute is ambiguous, "the court may resort to general maxims of statutory construction to aid in resolving the remaining uncertainty." Gaines at 172, quoting PGE v. Bureau of Labor and Industries, 317 Or. 606, 612 (1993).
Looking at the text of ORS 166.435, the criminal background check requirement applies to all persons except those licensed as dealers, importers or manufacturers under 18 U.S.C. §923, unless some other exception applies. This is because under ORS 166.435 (1)(b) and (c) (2015 edition), persons with those specified licenses are excluded from the definition of "transferee" and "transferor." Collector licenses are not included in the exemption.
The legislative history seems to support this conclusion. During the 2015 session there were amendments drafted to SB 941 that proposed adding the term "collector" to the list of licenses that would exempt a person from the background check requirement (see the A13 and A24 amendments to the A-Engrossed bill, available on OLIS). The resulting definitions of "transferee" and "transferor" would have read "a person who is not a gun dealer or licensed as a collector, manufacturer or importer under 18 U.S.C. 923…." However, these amendments were not adopted and as a result the word "collector" was never added to SB 941.
Finally, if a court needed further clarification when interpreting ORS 166.435, the court could consider the maxim of statutory constructionexpressio unius est exclusio alterius. Under this maxim, if certain licenses exempt from the criminal background check are expressly mentioned, this implies a legislative intent to exclude other licenses not mentioned.
Therefore, we believe a court would find that the background check requirement in section 2 of SB 941 (ORS 166.435) does apply to persons with Curios and Relics collector federal firearm licenses."
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I get it. The Socialist state of oregoon is insane, and there is nothing yo can do, but the background check is already done by the feds, and local LE to issue a C&R.
All I am saying is, if an FFL from any other state ships to my FFL, they are not liable, write it out of their book to my FFL#. Done.
If for some dumb reason they will not to ship to me, any local FFL just puts it on their books, then writes out to my C&R. Totally legal.
JaydaWg
All I am saying is, if an FFL from any other state ships to my FFL, they are not liable, write it out of their book to my FFL#. Done.
If for some dumb reason they will not to ship to me, any local FFL just puts it on their books, then writes out to my C&R. Totally legal.
JaydaWg
Yeah, I could go on and on about how Oregon does whatever it can to make life difficult on gun owners- but I'm sure you know. If it weren't for our kids putting down roots here, we would be elsewhere.
if your C&R is useless, why would they issue them? bored buricrate, creating jobs? this is nonsense creation by states that hate firearms. pretty obvious....
From what I can discern, the C&R is issued at the Federal level, but the requirement for a background check is at the state level. And it's that dang background check requirement that negates all the advantages for the C&R.
What I don't know is if I get the C&R, can I use it out of state? That makes it worthwhile.
Somebody with deep pockets needs to sue the State for issuing laws that contradict the federal statutes. Although that could open ip another can of worms…
I dis agree, its administratored at state level, all background checks go through the FBI. federal...think about it, each state don't do every background check for every gun, they call the fed gun check line, background cheks at the state level are almost always for a state gun permit, here's the best part, the state USES the fed background check for the state gun permits!!!
dsf
Bearcat
Well, I didn't mean to open a can of worms re the C&R license. Several states impose restrictions on the C&R FFL - no surprise hwo runs them. I can add a bit of information re CA and it's restrictions on use of the federally issued C&R license.
A C&R FFL allows the holder to receive eligible firearms through the mail. CA prohibits this. First by requiring all handguns to be sold or transferred through a Type 01 FFL. Then by prohibiting a Type 03 FFL from receiving long guns directly when shipped from out of state.
One would think the same theory of federalism the powers that be use when states pass "shall not comply" state laws against the feds would also be used in our favor re C&R licensing. For whatever reason that hasn't happened, perhaps because it has not been challenged in court.
A C&R FFL allows the holder to receive eligible firearms through the mail. CA prohibits this. First by requiring all handguns to be sold or transferred through a Type 01 FFL. Then by prohibiting a Type 03 FFL from receiving long guns directly when shipped from out of state.
One would think the same theory of federalism the powers that be use when states pass "shall not comply" state laws against the feds would also be used in our favor re C&R licensing. For whatever reason that hasn't happened, perhaps because it has not been challenged in court.
dsf said: "A C&R FFL allows the holder to receive eligible firearms through the mail. CA prohibits this. First by requiring all handguns to be sold or transferred through a Type 01 FFL. Then by prohibiting a Type 03 FFL from receiving long guns directly when shipped from out of state."
JUST AM FYI, so does NY STATE..... in addition, NYS no longer uses the FBI or any national agency for background checks; NYS allows only their own agency to do background checks. And, NYS now requires all AMMO SALES go thru FFLS and a background check is required for ammo purchases. The younger generations and the lesser educated population think this is wonderful.
WE'RE DOOMED,
J.
JUST AM FYI, so does NY STATE..... in addition, NYS no longer uses the FBI or any national agency for background checks; NYS allows only their own agency to do background checks. And, NYS now requires all AMMO SALES go thru FFLS and a background check is required for ammo purchases. The younger generations and the lesser educated population think this is wonderful.
WE'RE DOOMED,
J.
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Ruger Guru
"The younger generations and the lesser educated population think this is wonderful.
WE'RE DOOMED,"
Until those very same people decide they want or need guns & ammo. THEN they will change the laws. (Maybe,,,, hopefully????)
WE'RE DOOMED,"
Until those very same people decide they want or need guns & ammo. THEN they will change the laws. (Maybe,,,, hopefully????)
Just as an example of Oregon's insanity and dedicated hate for gun owners…M114 ( now under a restraining order) wanted to require a background check to get a purchase permit so you could then get another background check when you buy your gun. And- there was no permitting class in existence- but the state didn't care. Seemed like no gun sales and lots of small shops going bankrupt was good with them.
Same M114 made magazines over 10 rds illegal. Also any mags that could be converted to hold over 10 rds- so all magazines. You could keep your "hi-cap" mags if you owned them prior to the implementation date- but not take them out of your home. If you were caught in possession- they were not "grandfathered"- you would be expected to prove that you owned them prior to the ban date, and the citation would be nullified. They called it an "affirmative defense" process.
Same M114 made magazines over 10 rds illegal. Also any mags that could be converted to hold over 10 rds- so all magazines. You could keep your "hi-cap" mags if you owned them prior to the implementation date- but not take them out of your home. If you were caught in possession- they were not "grandfathered"- you would be expected to prove that you owned them prior to the ban date, and the citation would be nullified. They called it an "affirmative defense" process.
Not gonna happen contender...... We are producing snow-flakes too quickly in our schools.... and , they have already started breeding.
Sadly,
J.
I may be wrong, but I was sure when I looked into getting an 03 C&R years back the application went to the ATF proper, not anywhere in Oregon. And Oregon's background check law requires all firearms transfers have a background check performed by the Oregon State Police. Now, OSP gets backed up when there are a ton of 4473's put through- they used to be instant but for the last year and a half if it doesn't come back instantly it takes from 3-7 days. For a while there were over 40,000 background checks in the cue and there were people waiting over a month to get their gun.
This is info I have either experienced or gleaned from my local FFL. But I know you have a lot of experience mr.deeretalker and if I am wrong- I'd appreciate being corrected. I am being straightforward here, not sarcastic.
You are not wrong Randyzzz. Oregon has an arrangement with the Feds that the OSP will perform the background checks here in the state. Some special arrangement they made that I am sure has some insidious underlying reason that the rest of us are not supposed to know about.
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