transalp: It doesn't surprise me at all. They do still show the 375 Ruger and 45-70 as available in the "S" configuration in stainless/laminate.
The stainless/laminate #1s were a great idea that essentually nobody or at least very few #1 guys really wanted or cared about. While stainless/laminate is a easier to care for and more durable product and the laminate stock is more rigid and less subject to warp, this is NOT what the average #1 buyer really cares about.
#1 buyers tend to be the most conservative of the Ruger buyers. We are traditionist right down to our very for cores. We are into well figured walnut and beutiful blueing. So those that I think are the core of the #1 buyer catagory simply tended not to buy the stainless laminate rifles.
Yes, they may well be a better choice for hunting but while many of us #1 guys are hunters a lot don't, many guys simply acquire #1s. Some never shoot them at all. The guys that own the most #1s individually, that I personally know, don't shoot them at all.
There are 3 or maybe 4 distinct groups of #1 guys. Okay maybe 5.
Group #1, the guy that doesn't get it and doesn't want nor will he ever buy a #1, period.
Group 2, the hunter that gets one for himself or is given one and gets 2 or 3 more to fill hunting niches. This guy might actually buy stainless/laminate because it makes sense in a HUNTING rifle.
Group 3, the guy that owns 4-8 and has some very nice #1s and shoots a #1l, but mostly at paper. He is older and a tradisionalist and buys walnut/blued.
Group 4, the guy that hunts, shoots paper and collects/acquires #1s in a seriuous way and owns 10- 50 #1s. Serious #1 guy and is always on the lookout for rifles with killer wood and when he finds it will buy a rifle for the wood, regardless of caliber and configuration just to get the wood.
Group 5 is the serious #1 buyer/collect buys as many variations and configurations of #1s as he can find. If he buys a stainless/laminate #1 it has nothing to do with durability or warping it's simply another #1 he doesn't already have. This guy/guys own 50 - hundreds.
So as it works out the only guy that prefers the stainless/laminate rifles is the guy likely to buy the fewest. So, not much demand and thus they have been discontinued.
I have fewer than 50 and fall in catagory 4. I have rifles from the non prefix 1967-1969 all the way up through a rifle purchased a month ago.
Out of all that I have I have exactly 2 in the stainless/laminate variant. A factory "B" in 7mm STW which was only produced/cataloged for one year and was only available in the stainless/laminate variant. I have and shoot #1s in 7mm STW a lot and because of that was willing to go stainless for this rifle but only because it wasn't available in walnut/blued. Even then mine now wears a walnut stock. I recently purchased a "V" in 204. Again because it was the only "V" profile 204 available. Had it been available in the "V" in walnut/blue I would never have purchased the stainless gun.
There simply wasn't enpough of a market for the stainless/walnut within core #1 buyers to make it a viable product.
I am in Group 2 with my Stainless Laminate #1 Tropical 458 Lott. I like the weather resistance, even though that is more a perceived advantage than real. I do not have any rust problems with my blue guns, either.
I guess I am a group 3 guy, with group 4 ambitions, since I am constantly on the prowl for another! I do have a stainless on walnut 35 Whelen Lipsey's. The others with laminate stocks don't interest me. Love the walnut and blue!
Ewalker: I haven't heard that they are less accurate. I can't think why they would be. Granted I haven't fired a round through either of the two stainless rifles I own, yet.
I do expect both to shoot as well as any of my walnut/blued carbon steel rifles.
Oh, I do have one other in stainless, sort of. I have a "Custom AH in 257 Acjkey Improved" with a light weifht stainless Shilen barrel that has been fluted to makke it even lighter. I have never tried all the tricks on it because once it was minute of deer/antelope I quit worrying about the groups.
It really just boils down to the fact that the guys that tend to buy #1s, especially lots of #1s tend to be really tradirional by nature and grew up with walnut and blued guns and think that is what a gun as "traditional" as the #1 should be in the format.
I think you hit it pretty well on the head Ross. I put myself in the No. 3 class even though I only own one at the time. I'm 65, love beautiful wood and fine bluing and shoot mainly paper now. I don't believe stainless or laminate belong on a classic like the No. 1. Really detracts from the traditional looks. Real nice bunch of No. 1's Metlhed.
:shock: :? :roll: ONCE AGAIN(!!) for all knowing observers.........Where the hell is the Lipsey's 250 Savage #1A? Stainless and walnut? Yup, you, Ruger, build the elephant/Africa Jungle Steamers, but skip what would sell out in a Rabbit's jackalope heartbeat. Is any one awake back there in the far east heart of conservative America? Citizen Instruction: Don't you dare dump this rifle over the side. Instead, figure out what we want and build the damn rifles! CLUE: It/they/those are NOT African Jungle Steamers................If you do not understand, call me. I am in your book. Have flown your flag for over 40 years with no paycheck. Nor do I expect one. Lots and lots of us will help you; all you need to do is ask. :wink:
Ross, now that I have cranked off seven decades, a couple of revelations have occurred: First, I now have a much better understanding of why my Father behaved the way he did at this age, and second, I have decided to concentrate on telling it like I think it is and stop fluffy kittens-footing around. I have no degree in diplomacy, do have a minor in humor, and will tell the truth according to Splitz. I realize Others' opinions and experiences may vary in accord with their driving habits.......... 8) :wink:
Okay, but I'm lost. Do you or do you not want a 250 Savage??? Now me, I would simply rather have ir in blued/walnut but I suppose if you MUST have yours in stainless/walnut............................ ;-)
Aaaaaaaaaaaaha. Ross, no need to be lost. Here's the map: Lipseys' has a successful series of walnut and SS rifles. They and Ruger have postured for at least a couple of years that the next rifle in the series would be the 250 Savage. Logic has it that if it is next, and the last rifle was two years ago, then, BUILD the 250 guns! Build in 250 Savage walnut and SS. Of course, if they all sell and I bet a big check they will, then build a small group of blue/walnut 250 Savage to calm those who do not want SS. As we have discussed and noted, this certainly is not rocket science...............Stay on the road with me, I have the map. :wink: 8)
tranalp1961, I was just on the Ruger site and if you go into the link for the #1 it gives you several stainless models that have not been discontinued.They still make the 1B Stainless in .243 win, 25-06, 7mm rem mag, 300 Win Mag, 30-06, and 270 win..In the Stainless Sporter they still show the 375 Ruger and the 45-70. Lots of Stainless models.