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There was a cool SNJ-5 Texan that a fella' in Wyoming races with a P&W R-1340 at the fly-in a couple months ago. Climb rate was pretty impressive! We also have a local with a bi-plane (I told him I didn't care which way it swings, but he gave me a blank look...my humor is wasted on some people or else I'm just not as funny as I think I am) that's packing a Lycoming R-680.
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Very cool pictures! Yeah, dark and dry humor only works on a few folks. Sometimes I wonder how some people exist without a wild sense of humor.
My Texan was a dash five. I got it from a guy that got it from military surplus. The last Navy pilot scratched very beautifully on the instrument panel "Sweet Flying Bastard" , which it was.
The old SNJ was one of the few planes I've flown that could be trimmed up to stable hands off.
The Phanton was impossible to trim, it would end up falling out of the sky, hands off.
Keep your sense of humor well sharpened, it makes life much more fun.
 
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Where is the oil? Obliviously, there is no oil pan. It must have had oil sprayed inside there from somewhere...that oil should have obeyed the law of gravity and landed....inside all of the lower pistons, to be thrown up into the workings again? Did the have a reservoir, and if so, how and where did they scavenge oil from inside?
Don't know much about radials but I believe the R1340 have a small sump at the bottom of the power portion engine cases that catches
oil from the valve train and the main crank and rod section. I think it's got a pair of scavenging pumps returning oil to the rear mounted tank.
Thinking they hold about 8 gallons of oil.
I sure Jim can better fill in the blanks, I'm working on memory of being around one being rebuilt several years ago.
 

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Imagine having eight of these installed on one airplane . . .

Howard Hughes did just that.
I flew a C-119 in the Marine Reserves at Whidbey Is. NAS.
That was way back ~1975, no one was on the island in those days. Anyway, the 119 was a POS. If one of those engines coughed on the TO roll, you were going into the trees.
Now, (not wanting to get into a firefight like the 'Great Two Bladed Prop on the T-28A Discussion' ) I'm not sure what engines that thing had, but it was supposed to be the 4360. However, even empty it was a dog. It may have had just the two row engine, I never looked under the hood.
 
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Has anyone mentioned the Convair B36 Bomber? 6 radial engines in pusher configuration assisted by 2 jet pods. My dad worked on SAC base construction in the early 1950s and saw them at a couple of bases
The Navy had a recip. powered twin engine patrol plane the P-2 that eventually added a pair of jets. We said it had "two turning and two burning".
 

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The radials are dry sumps. As you said, scavenging pumps put the oil back in to holding tanks. I would imagine some of the 4 row engines, such as on the B-36 (Father flew them for awhile) had tanks holding 50 gallons or more of oil.
 

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You're very welcome. You are correct, the chemistry is quite the thing. My SIL is a chemist at a plant manufacturing synthetic turbo shaft engine oil. You wouldn't (well maybe you would) believe what it takes to make the magic happen.
Indeed when we did joint exercises with the Air Force and our planes took on JP4 and returned to the ship it was a very big deal. Not a problem if the A/C is in turnaround shape but if it should need to be defueled for any reason, no can do!
We had to tie them down on the fantail and run the engines at high power ( to include AB) until they were empty enough to do the required work. No storage or mixing if the two fuels was allowed.
Super interesting! I have a Bachelors in Biochemistry, I doubt I could understand the catalytic carbon sculpturing your SIL does.
I did a RON to an AF base in the Midwest. They topped off with something, probably avgas, and man those J79xs ran so hot they set off the engine fire light. There were problems the AF had with Marines. We usually acted up in the club, but I didn't know the
4 and 5 had such differences especial on mixing them together.
Sincerist thanks for the way you gents took care of the planes, you saved many lives. Thanks you sir.
 
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Never saw a naval aircraft take JP-4. The bases I was at all had -4 and -5, so aircraft got what they needed. I will say it's an interesting time when a refueling "specialist" has orders to take JP-5 out to a P-3 Orion. And upon seeing the props decides his orders are wrong, gets the avgas tanker an fills it up. Fortunately they only got one engine started before things got toasty. I guess the air force had to buy the navy a new wing and a couple of engines. Not to mention a new paint job.
 

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I'm not sure what you're suggesting or alleging but I understand and respect one man's experiences, especially with the progression of technology in the last hundred years. If you're a chemical engineer and physical chemist you get "expert" status, lacking creds, like me, I consider his words with full veracity.
 
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As mentioned above I've only had my hands and eyeballs on one radial engine and it was out of a T-6 being restored/rebuilt by
a work type of friend's son. The thing that sticks out is they are not a "simple" engine, there's a lot going on in there and they might
be one of the most complex combustion engine types ever built. Lots of high precision machining and assembly needed to build
one. Take a combustion engine, a supercharger, enough gears to fill a transmission, fuel system, charging system, cooling...etc.
and stuff it all together as compact as possible.
Their day has came and gone but they really are an engineering marvel.
 
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A friend of mine was a member of the 101st Airborne stationed at Fort Campbell Kentucky for part of 1959, all of 1960 and part of 1961. The plane they used most often for jumps was the C119 Fairchild Flying Boxcar. He said that more than one time they had trouble with radial engines and they were forced to jump at a lower altitude than was planned for.

I don't know if it has been mentioned in this thread but some models of the M4 Sherman tank was powered by a 9 cylinder radial engine.
 

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Read all about them here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radial_engine
When we had the CH-34 helicopters (Wright R-1820-84 Cyclone radial) we always carried a five gallon container of engine oil with us on trips away from home station. They 'drank' oil.
Hardly anyone remembers those
"horses". I used to know a Jarhead at Danang named Pete Mack who told stories of hauling troops or cargo over the mountains in RVN.
He didn't laugh about it.
I was fixed wing so I had my own brand of thrills. But hat's off to the 34 crews, it's a special kind of guts.
 

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There was a cool SNJ-5 Texan that a fella' in Wyoming races with a P&W R-1340 at the fly-in a couple months ago. Climb rate was pretty impressive! We also have a local with a bi-plane (I told him I didn't care which way it swings, but he gave me a blank look...my humor is wasted on some people or else I'm just not as funny as I think I am) that's packing a Lycoming R-680.
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As mentioned above I've only had my hands and eyeballs on one radial engine and it was out of a T-6 being restored/rebuilt by
a work type of friend's son. The thing that sticks out is they are not a "simple" engine, there's a lot going on in there and they might
be one of the most complex combustion engine types ever built. Lots of high precision machining and assembly needed to build
one. Take a combustion engine, a supercharger, enough gears to fill a transmission, fuel system, charging system, cooling...etc.
and stuff it all together as compact as possible.
Their day has came and gone but they really are an engineering marvel.
You are very correct about their uniqueness. I imagine of the dozen or so of systems and subsystems they all hold hands nicely and chug out one HP per pound of engine.
 
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