mohavesam":l5urz7hw said:
I still have not seen any "torture test" report or article for the LCR.
Who "speed loads" a belly gun anyway. That is just alot of armchair-tactical BS. I have always been taught that the "speedloader" is your option to RUN away, after five shots, if the threat is still there.
No jury is going to sympathize with someone who stayed around and reloaded.
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By calling speedloaders and carrying them "armchair-tactical BS, you imply that anyone who speedloads or practices speedloading a "bellygun" is an armchair ranger and doesn't really know what they are doing.
As for training, I have had multiple ongoing training classes and sessions since becoming a Police Officer in 1991 and then becoming a firearms training officer in 1994. I'll grant you that none of them were Gunsite, but it shouldn't matter. Every class, seminar, paper, what have you, that I have read, seen or whatever, since then has stressed reloading and the necessity to be able to reload under stress. This applies to CCW holders, as well, not just cops.
As for having minimal equipment, well, what can I say? You may only have minimal equipment but I and a lot of others here don't. EVERY TIME I carry, I have my SP101, 2 speedloaders and 2 speed strips. EVERY TIME! I'll readily admit that it's overkill, but it is what I am comfortable with. If I carry something heavier (I will occasionally carry my Glock 21 duty gun in the winter, if I am wearing enough heavy clothes to effectively cover it and will also occasionally carry my Glock 26), I still have a minimum of 2 reloads for the gun. If you decide to carry just the gun and the ammo in it, it's your decision. I, personally, think it is foolish, but it's your decision. If you don't want to carry speedloaders, then carry speed strips. They are flat and carry very well in a pocket.
And, just because I know it will be brought up, yes, I am a cop and train that way. However, there is enough overlap in training for a gun fight that it shouldn't matter if you are a cop or CCW holder. A gunfight is a gunfight is a gunfight. The only real difference is what you should be doing before and after the fight, not what happens during. The training for the actual fight, to me, is exactly the same. To put rounds on target in an attempt to get the person you are shooting to stop whatever it is they are doing at that time.
IMHO, as an instructor, your practice should focus on what you learn in training and should work to hone those skills. Current wisdom is that, in a violent encounter, "You will not rise to the occasion, you will default to your level of training". If your training or practice sessions never included, for example, speed reloads, then you will, in all probability, screw it up if you have to speed reload in an encounter. Likewise, if you don't have training in long-range shooting and need this skill, you will likely screw that up, as well. This is why quite a few of us have these skills and practice them on a regular basis. Are they likely to be necessary in a strictly self-defense scenario? Probably not. But they are there if needed. To us, they are not "armchair-tactical BS", they are necessary skills. This is what I took offense to and took as a put-down. To me, it smacks of the arrogance that some show with the attitude that their method is right and everyone else is wrong. If it was not intended in that light, I apologize. But that is the way I took it. The problem with forums like this is that you lack the body language and vocal inflections that tell you when someone is just joking around and make it all too easy to take offense when none is meant.
And, I'll readily agree with you about practice. As long as you are using all your critical skill sets, it doesn't matter how you do it, just do it!
Bub