Well, they took his gun away and then there was about 15 shots so...
Open carrier loses gun
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I figure the idiot was at least wounded but if the ghettoites were firing ghetto style they may not have finished him off.
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A rabbit enters a den of wolves, expecting to not be eaten?
Low I.Q. individual. Too bad he was dumb enough to do that. He didn't deserve it but darn sure should've expected it.
Low I.Q. individual. Too bad he was dumb enough to do that. He didn't deserve it but darn sure should've expected it.
"A rabbit enters a den of wolves, expecting to not be eaten?"
Sometimes the rabbit doesn't know the wolves are waiting. Not long after younger Son lost his vision, we were taking him to a specialist somewhere in KCMO. Nearly there, we discovered some items had been left at home and needed to replace them before reaching the doctor's office. Stopped at a Walmart and when we entered I noticed we were the only Caucasians in the building. Too late to leave so we just got what we needed and left w/o incident.
Later, I mentioned this OOPS to a relative who lives in that area and he was flabbergasted. His exact words: "you did what? white folks don't go in there". How was I to know? There wasn't a sign posted. Anyway nothing bad happened although walking through the store was like Moses parting the waves. The other shoppers moved away like we were infected or something. Had it gone the other way, I suppose we'd have found out if I was as good as I thought I was. My point is: sometimes one can't avoid becoming a target.
Sometimes the rabbit doesn't know the wolves are waiting. Not long after younger Son lost his vision, we were taking him to a specialist somewhere in KCMO. Nearly there, we discovered some items had been left at home and needed to replace them before reaching the doctor's office. Stopped at a Walmart and when we entered I noticed we were the only Caucasians in the building. Too late to leave so we just got what we needed and left w/o incident.
Later, I mentioned this OOPS to a relative who lives in that area and he was flabbergasted. His exact words: "you did what? white folks don't go in there". How was I to know? There wasn't a sign posted. Anyway nothing bad happened although walking through the store was like Moses parting the waves. The other shoppers moved away like we were infected or something. Had it gone the other way, I suppose we'd have found out if I was as good as I thought I was. My point is: sometimes one can't avoid becoming a target.
Paul B
Hunter
Back wen I was still working for the NWS, every once in a while I'd have to go to Kansas City from upgraded training. One was for working with radar and another for learning how to work with the Doppler radar. There were other courses as well. Anyway, I along with two others from the course left and walked to downtown for dinner and did a movie. Guess it was close to midnight when we walked back to the motel. The motel owner was floored that we even survived. Later the next day I was having a beer at the bar that was part of the motel complex and had an interesting conversation during which he said the way we went downtown was through the highest crime area of the city. Guess that explained why we never saw one car or person moving during that walk. A couple pf days later I was having a beer and talking to the very cute bartender when a guy slight three sheets to the wind got a bit out of hand. Let's just say there was a fight and he lost. Beer bottles to not break like you see in the movies. heads break. The guy was told to pack up and leave and find some other motel to stay at, the bartender wouldn't let me pays a for drinks after than and I learn the motel operator was a made man.
The next few times I had to go to KC for schooling the NWS put us up at a different hotel with much nicer rooms. I always made it a point to stop by that motel and pay my respects to the guy that owned the place. Never had to pay for drinks as well or a meal on the visit.
I guess that old boy has gone to whatever happy hunting ground made guys go to as the last time I saw him was about 1981 and he was pretty old and wanting to retire.
Paul B.
The next few times I had to go to KC for schooling the NWS put us up at a different hotel with much nicer rooms. I always made it a point to stop by that motel and pay my respects to the guy that owned the place. Never had to pay for drinks as well or a meal on the visit.
I guess that old boy has gone to whatever happy hunting ground made guys go to as the last time I saw him was about 1981 and he was pretty old and wanting to retire.
Paul B.
Enigma
Hunter
I counted 40 shots, minimum. The stupid was strong with that one.
With cops its true, they are getting disarmed to get shot. Few attempting to disarm a cop get the gun because of training. It's the fight to the death. It's you or the crook. Also, many cops carry other weapons and might go with a back-up to the stop the attack while retaining the service gun in the holster.
BTY, I once had a crook grab my wheelgun and try to pull it out of the holster during an arrest. I won't go into details except he gave up and was not shot.
In Portland, in my 39 years. Attempts to disarm cops did happen several times that I knew about. Only 1 was successful that I knew about. The cop was not shot; he was taken hostage by the 2 crooks. They finally gave up.
The FBI sends data on cops killed every year to all PDs and SOs. Most of the time it is only broken down by handgun, rifle, vehicle crash etc. Many police dept.s send out in bulletins state or nationwide with details of police attacks. It's for officer safety and reminders. Few cases make the national press.
Now citizen open carry. I don't have any stats. But likely, the few that get disarmed is because the crook wants the gun and runs away with the gun. Wanting to sell it or use the gun in other crimes. Not to kill the open carry person.
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"Whole thing was stupid. White dude didn't need that soda that bad. Stay out of situations like that before you start. That store is not the place to be after dark..."
Maybe so AND his judgement could be questioned BUT: If you're saying he (or any law abiding citizen) is at fault for just being somewhere, there's a big problem. Would he have been legit to just walk in, look around, and shoot every hoodlum looking dude in the building?
Maybe so AND his judgement could be questioned BUT: If you're saying he (or any law abiding citizen) is at fault for just being somewhere, there's a big problem. Would he have been legit to just walk in, look around, and shoot every hoodlum looking dude in the building?
I want to make a point about Judgement. How it can be used against you in a SD case. If you create a situation where you have to take action. Action because of your carelessness or negligence. You might be charged. I know of 2 big cases in Oregon, 1 was police officer involved the other citizen against citizen. These involved the killing of someone, the person defending themselves was found at fault because of Negligence.
I will use the example that started this post that if it happened in my following way the Guy getting disarmed could be charged. I am making part of the event up to prove my point about CARELESSNESS and or NEGLIGENCE.
Guy puts his gun in his back pocket exposed and goes into the store to buy soda. Let's say that was legal. The bad guy steals his gun by taking it out of his pocket That is a crime no doubt about it. We seen that happen on the video.
What if the guy that was disarmed, had another backup gun hidden on him. He goes after the guy who stole his gun and shoots him for fear of his life since he was disarmed.
Courts will or might say. It was not a justified SD case because of his own NEGLIGENCE to not secure his own gun in a holster created the case where he then thought he could defend himself.
Yes, your judgement will be examined.
I will use the example that started this post that if it happened in my following way the Guy getting disarmed could be charged. I am making part of the event up to prove my point about CARELESSNESS and or NEGLIGENCE.
Guy puts his gun in his back pocket exposed and goes into the store to buy soda. Let's say that was legal. The bad guy steals his gun by taking it out of his pocket That is a crime no doubt about it. We seen that happen on the video.
What if the guy that was disarmed, had another backup gun hidden on him. He goes after the guy who stole his gun and shoots him for fear of his life since he was disarmed.
Courts will or might say. It was not a justified SD case because of his own NEGLIGENCE to not secure his own gun in a holster created the case where he then thought he could defend himself.
Yes, your judgement will be examined.
kpcola
Bearcat
Agree with situation awareness comments. This guy was clueless and stupid. The other obvious thing he did wrong is reach into his left pocket which was his carry side. That is when the guy went for his gun. FYI never put car keys money in your carry side pocket. Concealed carry would have almost certainly prevented this situation.
Look I get it, an adult should be able to go anyplace you want with no issues. BUT that's just not reality. Be stupid, have issues. It's THAT simple. If you go places that are "questionable", especially after dark, you should expect trouble. I hope he enjoyed his soda if he didn't get ventilated...
OR maybe those kind of places just need a weekly 'house cleaning'?
BULL'S-EYE
Buckeye
Open Carry Goes Horribly Wrong: Victim Shot After Attempting to Retrieve Stolen Gun
A man was shot and killed after suspects stole his firearm at a gas station. Colion Noir used the incident to highlight the dangers of open carry and careless firearm handling.
