New MkIII POS back to Ruger

[bcam]

Threads like this never cease to baffle me. Why anyone would buy a brand new gun, take it home and completely disassemble it is beyond me.

...punches should come with a warning "you are about to ruin a good gun" esp if it's a metal punch. at best you can hope to just leave a mark, when using a punch AND a mallet.

Maybe YOU can't use a metal punch on a firearm without ruining it but it's routine for those of us who know what they're doing. I used a cup-tip steel punch to knock the grip locator dowel out of a USFA grip frame on Friday. I guess I should've just used one of my three wishes instead. :roll:

Where we need the warning label is on web browsers.

Aye, there's the rub! If you're going to take a punch to a brand new gun, please know what you're doing. And spare us from the complaints if you don't. And, as long as I'm standing on the soapbox, if you have a problem with a new gun, give the maker a chance to fix the problem before you start slagging the product.

 

[soyarm]

wow,,,,so many attacks so little time

 

[rugerfreak]

I'm waiting for a MkII hammer bushing in the mail before I attempt the process again---should slick things up a bit-----hopefully.

 

[CraigC]

WHAT BAFFLES ME is self proclaimed experts that leave packing grease and oils in new guns to collect dust/crud, and not bother to inspect the gun for mechanical flaws, tool marks, etc. during the mfg process in the first place. your expertise with a punch is a remarkable talent which I'm sure we all envy. perhaps that is why some punches are brass or polymer tipped so the user doesn't leave a mark on the bluing when using it at 3am while frustrated. there is also brass polish for your halo.

I never claimed to be an expert, don't get so defensive just because some folks know how to use tools and you do not.

Your concerns over "packing grease and oils in new guns to collect dust/crud", while interesting, do not seem to be founded in reality. I take my guns apart when they need fixing or an action job, not to satisfy my curiosity or some weird need to clean them before they need it. In 30yrs and probably 150 guns, I've never found a good reason to disassemble a new gun before shooting it.

 

[BlkHawk73]

Oh boy, now were' taking the school yard approach and name calling. :roll:

 

[Fox Mike]

Try looking at this video: http://ruger.com/resources/videos.html?vidID=005014
and pay particular attention to the last part that says that 'detailed disassemble' should be done at the factory.

 

[6gun]

A simple field strip and cleaning is enough.

 

[BlkHawk73]

Just realized what a horrible, horrible neglectful firearms owner I've been all these years. Cannot recall EVER buying a new gun and then tearing it all down before shooting it. Just think of the unspeakable and irreversible damage I've inflicted upon those poor, poor firearms...the Marlins, the Rugers, the HK's, the Savage, the Competitor...

Just think, they could've been filled with packing great just like some surplus import SKS. Oh the horror. What have I done?

If doing all this makes YOU feel good and that you've done a good deed that will benefit the performance and longevity of your firearms , fine and dandy. You'll sleep better doing so.

 

[6gun]

With a new pistol I pull the slide clean any packing grease out, run a patch down the barrel, lighty oil the slide put it back in and head to the range. thats all I strip it down no need to do any more..

 

[Precision32]

I strip guns down all the time. New, old it makes no difference. They all went together at the factory, so someone got it together.

But I learned long ago that if I'm getting pissed at the gun or the maker I'm pissed at the wrong thing or person. I should be pissed at ME for not being able to figure it out. It's just a machine. There is only one right way for it to go back together.

There is no question that I have had some head scratchers. Back away, have a cup of coffee and come back later. Even ask for help if you're really bumfuzzeled. But don't just cry that the makers product is all screwed up and not made to tolerances, cause you don't even know what the tolerances are. That's what got the OP the responses he got IMHO.

Punches and hammers are the major tools of the trade for gunsmiths. They are like any other tool, you have to know how to use them in the proper way to avoid screwing up more than you fix.

 

[6gun]

Well when you get to the point your using a hammer and punch to beat out pins like the OP did on parts the manual says to be done by the factory only I'd have to say you have gone beyond field stripping. :lol:

 

[6gun]

you seem to be advising more, and not all guns are designed to be feild stripped either, you drifted off on military guns and the are not the subject here.

 

[CraigC]

Just why do you think guns are designed to be able to FIELD STRIP them? (MOST RATHER EASILY), because you DON'T NEED to clean and inspect them from time to time? And why do you suppose the military takes time to train soldiers how to do it quickly and correctly, knowing the diff parts & how/why they work the way they do is not a bad thing either. They must be wrong also. Yes even the sks with just a bullet to disassemble, many with no tools at all. If you don't wanna hear it from me consult ANY owners manual. ALL give instructions on care & maintenance, including FIELD STRIPPING & RE-ASSEMBLY. SO NO APPLES VS ORANGES we have been talking about guns only, and primarily the ruger mk's. I know I NEVER said a word about a total take down, so I have no idea how that came into the discussion. I suppose ALL the mfgr's are wrong as well as me. New guns, and milsurp are lubed for long term storage, sometimes a little, or a lot overboard. If you want to use them like that, it's your gun and your BIZ, go ahead and ignore the manual & mfgr's that make millions of them as you seem to think you know more than their engineers.

More nonsense. Manufacturers KNOW that 99.99% of new gun buyers are not going to disassemble their guns before they even shoot them. They KNOW they will take them out of the box and shoot them. So unless the discussion is going to move into military surplus that IS packed for long term storage, let us dispense with all this crap about "packing grease".

And nobody said anything about NEVER field stripping a firearm. The discussion is about stripping down a brand new gun before shooting it.

What the military does is entirely irrelevant.

I would love to see a scan of the owner's manual that suggest taking a new gun apart for any reason.

Agreed, when you're using punches and mallets, you've gone well beyond field stripping.

Go ahead and git you a gun and sum a thems bullits and go right to the range.

Is this supposed to be some sort of personal insult because of my state of residence?

And BTW I'm no expert either but can use many tools, and spot a TOOL like you a mile away.

Grow up and leave the personal comments out of it.

 

[6gun]

Agree Craig, most gun owners will not take a gun apart before shooting it, many don't even know they should be cleaned first, this newby "hangnoose" know it all guy so far has just dished out personal insults and will be on the foe list real fast if he keeps it up.

 

[CraigC]

if you are talking being new to this political site where an occasional gun discussion takes place, yes I'm A NEWBIE, FOR SHAME.

Uh, what??? I have nearly 6000 posts on this forum and scant few have been related to politics. Over 27% of your posts are in the political forum, versus 0.5% of mine. You barely have over 200 posts and already have twice as many as I do in the political forum. If you don't want to talk politics, don't go to the politics forum. Simple.

Or perhaps the real issue here is that you are put off because you're liberal-minded and the forum is predominantly conservative. Which makes you automatically defensive, regardless of the discussion???

EXACTLY where did I recommend going beyond a field strip?

Here's a hint, read the original post. The OP obviously went beyond a field strip when the punches and hammers came out. :roll:

AND you know for A FACT to the 1/100th of 1% what manufactures think/know about consumers field stripping and cleaning their guns, another crystal ball owner?

Yes.

Sure I'm not perfect and may go tit for tat after a snide remark about me not being able to use tools, WHO STARTED talking trash? NOT ME!

I'm just responding to the words on the screen. Those words indicated to me that YOU could not use mallets and punches without ruining a firearm. You made the generalization that punches and mallets could not be used on a firearm without ruining it. You are wrong, I pointed that out. That is not a personal attack. Understand the difference.

...my remarks would be out of line IF I hadn't been attacked first, even so it is immature but as I said I'm not perfect. I guess those remarks struck a nerve and may be a case of if the shoe fits. Yes please do put me on your foe list, as I am tired of constantly being attacked FOR ANYTHING I may post.

Boo frickety hoo. You were not attacked, you posted erroneous information and were called on it. You got defensive and rather than making a valid rebuttal, you resorted to personal attacks. This ain't YouTube where 13yr old kids can post whatever they want without consequence. Many of us have made firearms and all things related our lives. You're not dealing with morons who shouldn't be allowed to own a screwdriver and we know the smell of BS. Many of us do our own gunsmithing and use the tools you suggested can't be used without ruining a firearm on a regular basis.

 

[6gun]

New member less than a month with 235 posts here to tell all the old guys how it's done. :roll: :roll: mouth closed and ears open works better.

 

[kacher1]

Hangnoose: you're not going to win or break even on this one. Deck is stacked against you. I knew what you meant by using a punch and mallet---a lot of these Marks need them to get the bolt stop pin to come down as in "field stripping." Unfortunately you started this post in the middle of a frustrating moment--but maybe you should have said what was going wrong instead of the "out of spec" POS stuff.

Anyway, I always field strip and Lube my pistols before shooting them just to make sure the lube didn't dry out from sitting for who knows how long. Just like those who use bore snakes; use cleaning rods on 22 pistols; swear by one particular brand of CLP or oil; etc. etc. Everyone has their own opinion and that's a good thing. Almost time for beer and the Giants!

 

[SR1911Fan]

I'm just a dumb 'ole boy that has been around guns for the last 40 years. I don't know alot. I've learned a couple of things along the way. I've been careful and made haste slowly.

But a few things to offer on NIB or used Guns, cleaning shipping oil and Ruger Customer Service. Maybe it may guide someone, maybe not. I've never broke a gun yet.

Every NIB or used gun should be inspected @ THE OPERATOR LEVEL . That's in the owners manual. The old manuals are on-line now. That simply does not mean torn down completely. Remove the bolt from a bolt rifle. Swab the bore and dry patch. It it appears there is oil below the stock, use REAL GUNSMITH SCREWDRIVERS / ALLEN WRENCH to carefully remove the stock and wipe the oil.

I have a set of Forstner screwdrivers. The tips are milled, not stamped. They really fit w/o slop. Yes, they cost close to $50.00 a set. What's that compared to the cost of a good gun? Your great grand kids will be using those Fostner screwdrivers long after that Chinese set of magnetic tip bits has been recycled.

The bolt can be simply flushed w/ spray brake cleaner, dried, then lightly lubed w/ RemOil.

The bolt of a Mk (anything) Ruger can be locked back and carefully flushed w/ brake cleaner then lightly lubed w/ RemOil. Use a pull through w/ patch (while the bolt is locked back) to clean the bore.

I recently bought a .22lr RAR bolt action Ruger. I cleaned it like described above for a bolt gun. It does have an issue. I went onto Ruger's site and posted in the CEO's message box. I first POLITELY praised Ruger for bringing out this new gun. I listed every innovative feature. Then I discussed the issue it has in a calm, level manner. I spoke of the 7 types of .22 ammo (some Eley match-grade) I used and about my rest, rear bag and that I use a wind flag and wind probe.

I left mt cell # and asked for assistance.

The next morning customer service called me. They were very nice & professional. They issued a UPS 2-day Air (@ their expense) pick up of my rifle. It's @ the mother ship now.

OP: we all get PO'ed sometimes. I think you are an okay guy, but you just got caught up in this deal. There's more important things to get hot about then this. Let Ruger fix it.

 

[ArmedinAZ]

New member less than a month with 235 posts here to tell all the old guys how it's done. :roll: :roll: mouth closed and ears open works better.

Yeah. So post count relates to how much a person knows?

 

[Richbaker]

I would love to see a scan of the owner's manual that suggest taking a new gun apart for any reason.

Here you go, Craig...... STI 1911 manual, top of page 15.

Before firing your STI handgun for the first time…
To assure safe, trouble-free performance beginning with the first time
you fire your STI handgun, follow the cleaning and lubricating instructions
on page 32 of this manual.

Link: http://stevespages.com/pdf/sti_1911.pdf

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