woodperson
Blackhawk
Good decision to send it to Ruger, I think,
Need advice from serious shooters.
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I did some research yesterday. If anyone has info correcting my findings, please post it.
Ruger apparently tests their .45 acp cylinders to 23k psi. A normal .45 acp can produce pressure to 19-21k psi. A ,45 +p can go to 23k psi. Leaves very little wiggle room. A bullet pushed into the case can produce pressure well above Ruger's cylinder test psi. Another unknown would be, were there similar incidents that did not have the same results?
I know the Blackhawks capabilities, I have a .45 colt that I have loaded hot rod loads for from the manuals Blackhawk only section, 'till I learn better. Very uncomfortable to shoot. I save these for bear/hog loads. So who's to say? Could be that once in a mil occurrence,
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Caballero59
Bearcat
The frames will handle powerful rounds. Fit them with a 5-shot cylinder and they become a hand cannon. This is why I didn't worry in the slightest about the frame. That being said, the cylinder on the medium frame 45 has significant limitations, not the 14,000 saami limitation but no more than 45 acp +p.
Yes. Most curious indeed. Have the other reloads in that batch been tested? Weighed, pulled, mic'd, weighed separately, random or entire...test for crimpstrength...
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Caballero59
Bearcat
Pulled every one of the batch (almost one hundred rounds). No concerns.
Curiiuser and curiouser. Check mars and jupitor the day they were loaded, and shot? Dosent somebody here have a story collection of light loads blowing up guns?
A friend put 5 lightly loaded .357 plated wad cutters in a S&W 686 a couple years ago, took it to a smith friend, drove them out with a piece of steel. Said he had to cut the lead as it was driven as it was hitting the back of the cylinder frame!. He still shoots the gun today, didn't hurt the S&W tank. Still as accurate as ever!
Right there is a term I have never heard used with S&W.
Right there is a term I have never heard used with S&W.
Me either.....a Ruger top strap makes a S&W top strap look like a bikini strap.
.....you never see "S&W ONLY" loads.....
686 is a well built, solid revolver. At least the pre-lock era were. Have heard of a few of the HH's giving problems.
Right there is a term I have never heard used with S&W.
Or a Colt only or any other manufacturer except TC, Contender. And they do spec the Blackhawk, no other model.Me either.....a Ruger top strap makes a S&W top strap look like a bikini strap.
.....you never see "S&W ONLY" loads.....
Not true .......research various manuals and manufacturer disclaimers....this is from a well known manufacturer of "heavy loads":
This load is designed ONLY for certain firearms. They are as follows; Ruger Red Hawk, Ruger Super Red Hawk, Ruger Super Blackhawk or Vaquero, Freedom Arms Model 83, Taurus Raging Bull, Colt Anaconda and Dan Wesson Revolvers.
A little time spent doing a looksee on the web and you will find others.
No mention of S&W in them....
I'm not crapping on S&W....I think they are very nice looking revolvers. I've shot a ton of them. I only have one Smith right now. A MOD19-5. It looks so nice I would hate to scratch it. Ruger? Built to be tough and look tough. I would never feed my 19 what I feed my Security Six and GP100's.
Hondo44
Hawkeye
I've read this forum for many years and I've never heard of Ruger taking more than two weeks to fix and return a gun!
You obviously haven't seen the 330gr Super Redhawk and Dan Wesson only 44 magnums.
BoggusDeal
Single-Sixer
My guess, and only a guess, to bulge a barrel, there must have been an obstruction. A squib that stuck a bullet, something stuck in the muzzle. Any pictures of the barrel? Where is the bulge?
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Caballero59
Bearcat
Ruger offered to replace the firearm with a discount from msrp but they keep the gun. I'm thinking about it. The parts (and especially the 45 colt cylinder) would have some value. I'm having trouble convincing myself the frame is damaged. The cylinder gap didn't move by even 0.001.
If they made an offer, they must have found something. Will they send it back if you refuse the offer? If they will they must deem it safe to use, or they wouldn't send it back.
woodperson
Blackhawk
At least now you have some options. Are they gonna replace it with the same gun at a discount? Or just give you credit to buy something? I think if I could get a new flattop convertible at a decent discount that is what I would do. Sounds cheaper than anything you could do with a gunsmith and the old gun.
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Caballero59
Bearcat
I'm concerned about recent Ruger quality control. It's pretty bad. Excessive cylinder gaps, end-shake, constricted barrels, tight throats, the list goes on. Great design, piss poor execution in general. The gun in question was made in 2011 and wouldn't fire reliably due to a casting defect in the transfer bar that I fixed with a dremel. When I reamed the throats, I discovered the charge holes were slightly out of round.
For me it would depend on the discount amount, and a thorough explanation as to why they wouldn't fix it. If they found frame damage or misalignment, I'd take them up on the offer. But if it was simply a barrel issue and the replacement was offered due to liability issues, I'd probably want it back. Barrels aren't that expensive to replace.
Now, if they were offering a substantial discount, and there was a different model that you would rather have, then that's a different story.
Now, if they were offering a substantial discount, and there was a different model that you would rather have, then that's a different story.
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