Yes sir, they are many narrow-mined gun owners. If a person has something they like for a variety of reasons. They may be shut off to all others, believing they have the best. In the end, that gun or caliber will not be the best for everyone. After all we are all a little different and have different needs. No CCW handgun is the best just because you carry it, no deer rifle is the best just because you shoot 20 deer with it.
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noahmercy
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Neither action type is perfect: Neither is impervious to malfunctions, and neither type is correct for every scenario. And just like any tool, they are job-specific. I wouldn't carry an LCP Max when fly-fishing in Alaska, regardless of how easy it is to pack and the capacity. Equally, I am not going to try to find a way to conceal a 454 Casull Toklat for a trip to a busy Grocery store.
Anyone saying one action type is superior for all scenarios is likely trying to cover for their ignorance of, or incompetence with the other.
Anyone saying one action type is superior for all scenarios is likely trying to cover for their ignorance of, or incompetence with the other.
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Some people have a much bigger opinion of themselves and their beliefs than others do.
You know what they say:
Opinions are like buttholes.
Everybody has one and they all stink.
You know what they say:
Opinions are like buttholes.
Everybody has one and they all stink.
I've been at this gun thing a lot of years. I am very experienced with a lot of stuff. I can make it all work for me. And although in recent years I carry a semi more often than a revolver, revolvers are still my preference. I pretty much could care less what someone elses preferences are. If they like their Glock's, so be it. And it requires little more discussion.
But, I'm also inundated with punks, experts, and mall-ninja's on forums that profess revolvers are old news. They say revolvers don't work now, and they're so bad, how did they ever work? They've likely never shot one, but they don't need to because their friend said revolvers are garbage.
One of my Army MOS's was Small Arms Repair. Everything from the M-16 to 4.2" Mortars. M-16's were by far needing the most repair. They are fragile, and any that I was ever issued was pretty much junk. When I say that to these internet experts, their heads explode.
But I own a couple AR's now, and I make them work for me. And although I still far prefer a lever or bolt gun for most of my needs, I'm sure not gonna go online and profess to the world that my way is the only way.
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But, I'm also inundated with punks, experts, and mall-ninja's on forums that profess revolvers are old news. They say revolvers don't work now, and they're so bad, how did they ever work? They've likely never shot one, but they don't need to because their friend said revolvers are garbage.
One of my Army MOS's was Small Arms Repair. Everything from the M-16 to 4.2" Mortars. M-16's were by far needing the most repair. They are fragile, and any that I was ever issued was pretty much junk. When I say that to these internet experts, their heads explode.
But I own a couple AR's now, and I make them work for me. And although I still far prefer a lever or bolt gun for most of my needs, I'm sure not gonna go online and profess to the world that my way is the only way.
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Real Guns have Hammers!!!
that would include both types , semi's and revolvers
I gotta continue this.
A close friend from my past, also an extremely experienced firearms person, had never shot a Mini. We were up in the mountains shooting on one occasion, and I offered him my Mini 14 to try. He was initially uninterested, as he figured Mini 14's were junk. In short order, he was both impressed and convinced. My Mini did everything any of his AR's would do. How could that be?
Another occasion... The local cops train often at my gun club. And sometimes I offer them the chance to shoot something they've never shot. It usually goes well, and they are usually appreciative. On a recent range trip, while the cops were going thru their AR drills, I offered one of them the chance to shoot my Ruger Piston AR. He was offended that I'd even suggest he shoot such junk.
People get ideas in their heads and wont let those ideas go.
Not much different than many people of the past, not allowing themselves the experience of owning any second-rate Ruger firearm.
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A close friend from my past, also an extremely experienced firearms person, had never shot a Mini. We were up in the mountains shooting on one occasion, and I offered him my Mini 14 to try. He was initially uninterested, as he figured Mini 14's were junk. In short order, he was both impressed and convinced. My Mini did everything any of his AR's would do. How could that be?
Another occasion... The local cops train often at my gun club. And sometimes I offer them the chance to shoot something they've never shot. It usually goes well, and they are usually appreciative. On a recent range trip, while the cops were going thru their AR drills, I offered one of them the chance to shoot my Ruger Piston AR. He was offended that I'd even suggest he shoot such junk.
People get ideas in their heads and wont let those ideas go.
Not much different than many people of the past, not allowing themselves the experience of owning any second-rate Ruger firearm.
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Skeet 028
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I am happy with both...revolvers and pistols. I started with defensive handguns with the 1911 my idea of the perfect caliber...for some things. I carried a 3 1/2 in Model 27 working as a LEO. So I trusted my life to both. I honestly prefer revolvers for much of my carry...but when I shoot 22s I prefer semiautos...most of the time...easier to reload when you're having fun. But I have and enjoy many revolvers in 22 also. Both S&W and Ruger. I no longer have a Ruger 22 semi auto...But do have S&W and Colt Target autos. Summer carry for me is a Sig 365...it fits in my pocket with less weight dragging the pants down but winter carry is...well was my Wilson combat...just worth too much to carry now. so have a cheap/reliable RIA 1911. Carry on the ranch...usually a BH in 45 Colt or ACP. I've shot a few coyotes with that BH...missed a wolf...at 35 yds. I will never tell someone what to carry...except to tell them...whatever they carry learn to shoot it well and make sure it is reliable. Most revolvers are very reliable..."some" semiautos are reliable. My wife carries that BH 45 most of the time. I sold her old SBH. She's still PO'd. but it had a 7 1/2 in bbl
freakindawgen
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Possible the posters on the other forum all all younger pups on the semi-auto trend. Where it has to be assessorized with the latest, greatest halo site, spotlight and whatever you can bolt on it. I myself have a Sig P365 for the compact size, and then I see most presented with all the assessories that make it bigger than a full size 1911!
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Just remember: The Colt 1911 served many years and in many places reliably!
There is not an automatic loader out there, that won’t cross an empty brass at times.
black1970
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I too have experienced rude gun store employees. My thoughts are that they deal with the public day in and day out. In the long run I suspect that would make anybody rude after not too long. Look up some of the reviews of gun stores near you. You might be surprised at the negatives a lot of them have.
Rum River
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I have around 6-7 years experience behind the counter. Some was at Cabela's, some at Sportsman's Warehouse (1st generation), some at a large independent (4,000 + guns on display) and some at a smaller independent (several hundred on display).
I wish I could say there are more rude customers than staff - but I'd be wrong.
(It took years for me to get to the point I could say that.)
Whoever is behind that counter has to be professional.
It even goes beyond that, you might believe you're being professional - but customers have different ideas what 'professional' is - and it's on the counter person to make the grade.
Just my opinion, YMMV...........
BloodyThumb
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I am LE, soon to be retired. I started out with revolvers and carried either a 1911 or a 3” K frame Smith 65 Or a 2.75” Ruger Speed Six off duty. Then to autos on and off duty, and through a progression of those.
Today, I still occasionally carry a revolver off duty. One of those 2 old friends, the 65 or Speed Six… same ones from the 80’s, and recently added a 3” Python, just because always wanted a Python.
But I have to say, that if I am off duty and going somewhere less than desirable safety wise (and that is MOST places these days it seems) I still go with an 18+1 RDO equipped auto with an 18 or 24rd backup mag… not a revolver.
Yes, a full size auto can be concealed before that rant starts up. I am 5’10 and about 180 without any “Dunlop”. A full size auto with RDO conceals just fine AIWB under an untucked shirt with the right holster and zero whining. I also have a double stack Micro 9, which is for pocket carry.
As to attitudes…. I put it down to human nature and greed. Human nature says that ”If you don’t agree with me, one of us is wrong and it CANNOT be me”. Greed ( monetary greed that is ) is what I hear in gun shops when new shooters come in looking for something out of stock. The answer can always be translated down to “You don’t want what you think you want…. You want what I’VE GOT! ).
YOU and nobody else is responsible for the decisions you make. If you are swayed or even upset by others opinions, then you just don’t know enough about the subject yet. Never take advice from anyone with skin in the game.
But hey, what do I know…. I’m just a stupid old man..
Best of luck to the OP.
Today, I still occasionally carry a revolver off duty. One of those 2 old friends, the 65 or Speed Six… same ones from the 80’s, and recently added a 3” Python, just because always wanted a Python.
But I have to say, that if I am off duty and going somewhere less than desirable safety wise (and that is MOST places these days it seems) I still go with an 18+1 RDO equipped auto with an 18 or 24rd backup mag… not a revolver.
Yes, a full size auto can be concealed before that rant starts up. I am 5’10 and about 180 without any “Dunlop”. A full size auto with RDO conceals just fine AIWB under an untucked shirt with the right holster and zero whining. I also have a double stack Micro 9, which is for pocket carry.
As to attitudes…. I put it down to human nature and greed. Human nature says that ”If you don’t agree with me, one of us is wrong and it CANNOT be me”. Greed ( monetary greed that is ) is what I hear in gun shops when new shooters come in looking for something out of stock. The answer can always be translated down to “You don’t want what you think you want…. You want what I’VE GOT! ).
YOU and nobody else is responsible for the decisions you make. If you are swayed or even upset by others opinions, then you just don’t know enough about the subject yet. Never take advice from anyone with skin in the game.
But hey, what do I know…. I’m just a stupid old man.
. Best of luck to the OP.
contender
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Again, more very good discussion points. I love it. This Forum never fails to make me happy to be here. It's the good people.
On that other forum, I never trashed semi's and I never said that revolvers were better than semi's for everyone. I pointed out the differences, as well as why, most often, a revolver for newer people, or those who will not practice enough, would more likely be a better choice. But it was the attitude of that CCW instructor that really pushed my buttons.
One of the posts above; "Just remember: The Colt 1911 served many years and in many places reliably!"
SO TRUE!
But again, the original 1911 was designed for the military, and for use by soldiers, who were given training. Plus,, during it's service,, soldiers were mostly male. The military categorized the 1911 as a secondary, back-up firearm & not a primary weapon. And yes, they taught the malfunction drills too. Thrown in the type of ammo, and the 1911 was very reliable in general. But combat is a different scenario than daily carry. We could spend volumes discussing the 1911 in general.
But that CCW instructor was all about the 9mm according to the poster there.
Now, so far, I've avoided stating what I carry much of the time when I carry a daily firearm. I do carry daily, and depending upon where I'm going, it can depend upon how I dress, and what I might encounter, or the event or places I'm going. Like I told that OP poster over there, "It's ok to own more than one firearm & more than one type."
Most often, I carry a Kimber Ultra Compact 1911 in .45 acp. My reasons; (1) I've spend decades with a 1911 in practice, and competition with a 1911. (2) I can handle it right or left handed. (3) I've practiced my grip to where an accidental mag drop hasn't happened in many, many years. (4) I know how to handle jams, malfunctions while under stress & with speed. (5) I can rack the slide one handed if necessary. (6) The .45 acp round is well known as a very capable man stopper. (7) It's easy & comfortable to wear & not too heavy. And my fun reason #8, If I do get into an armed confrontation, and my gun gets confiscated until courts clear me, it won't be one of my beloved Rugers!
But I also sometimes carry a LCP in a pocket, or slip on a Blackhawk onto a belt holster, or tuck a full sized 1911 in my belt, or grab a Security-Six or GP-100 & tuck it into my belt. I haven't handled my LCR enough yet to feel 100% comfortable with it FOR ME. The gun has been just fine, it's ME that makes that choice.
Again, as so many here have understood, there is nothing wrong with semi's in general. But to totally dismiss a revolver, when you are an instructor, AND while in many scenarios a revolver could be superior to a semi, is just wrong.
On that other forum, I never trashed semi's and I never said that revolvers were better than semi's for everyone. I pointed out the differences, as well as why, most often, a revolver for newer people, or those who will not practice enough, would more likely be a better choice. But it was the attitude of that CCW instructor that really pushed my buttons.
One of the posts above; "Just remember: The Colt 1911 served many years and in many places reliably!"
SO TRUE!
But again, the original 1911 was designed for the military, and for use by soldiers, who were given training. Plus,, during it's service,, soldiers were mostly male. The military categorized the 1911 as a secondary, back-up firearm & not a primary weapon. And yes, they taught the malfunction drills too. Thrown in the type of ammo, and the 1911 was very reliable in general. But combat is a different scenario than daily carry. We could spend volumes discussing the 1911 in general.
But that CCW instructor was all about the 9mm according to the poster there.
Now, so far, I've avoided stating what I carry much of the time when I carry a daily firearm. I do carry daily, and depending upon where I'm going, it can depend upon how I dress, and what I might encounter, or the event or places I'm going. Like I told that OP poster over there, "It's ok to own more than one firearm & more than one type."
Most often, I carry a Kimber Ultra Compact 1911 in .45 acp. My reasons; (1) I've spend decades with a 1911 in practice, and competition with a 1911. (2) I can handle it right or left handed. (3) I've practiced my grip to where an accidental mag drop hasn't happened in many, many years. (4) I know how to handle jams, malfunctions while under stress & with speed. (5) I can rack the slide one handed if necessary. (6) The .45 acp round is well known as a very capable man stopper. (7) It's easy & comfortable to wear & not too heavy. And my fun reason #8, If I do get into an armed confrontation, and my gun gets confiscated until courts clear me, it won't be one of my beloved Rugers!
But I also sometimes carry a LCP in a pocket, or slip on a Blackhawk onto a belt holster, or tuck a full sized 1911 in my belt, or grab a Security-Six or GP-100 & tuck it into my belt. I haven't handled my LCR enough yet to feel 100% comfortable with it FOR ME. The gun has been just fine, it's ME that makes that choice.
Again, as so many here have understood, there is nothing wrong with semi's in general. But to totally dismiss a revolver, when you are an instructor, AND while in many scenarios a revolver could be superior to a semi, is just wrong.
Break out the 44mag or 500S&W and liven the place up. Talk about full frontal exposure!!!
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Sugar River
Buckeye
Interesting discussion, Contender. I seem to recall, a looong time ago some guys determined that, for the first shot from leather, choice of handgun type made no difference. DA or SA, revolver or autoloader, that first accurate shot could be placed in essentially the same time. The key factor was the man behind the hammer.
