Mike Armstrong
Hunter
Anyone know if Ruger and/or Lipsey's plans on making any more .44 Spl GP-100s? I missed out on the first batches, and would like to begin saving up for one!
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sack peterson
Single-Sixer
Couldn't say, but the NM flattop single actions are back as of last month.
Thel
Blackhawk
IF Ruger decides to make another run of the GP100 in .44 Sp I hope they use the larger barrel shank diameter as used on their 10mm's so the .44 could take a bit hotter .44 loads without cracking the forcing cone. Other than that I really like my GP in .44.
Mike Armstrong
Hunter
Thanks Guys! Thel, is the 10mm also a five shooter?
Well........Lipsey's does not "make" any guns.
And I seriously doubt anyone here is involved in marketing or R&D for Ruger...........
Just sayin'.
Now wishful thinking, I'm with you. Love me some 44 special
Cheers,
JAYDAWG
JackBull
Buckeye
I do not believe that is on their website yet, or is it?
BULL'S-EYE
Buckeye
In my experience, unless it's something under wraps, a polite call to Lipsey's will provide an answer about product status/availability.
All of Ruger's non-plasticky guns are in short supply and the prices are truly outrageous. Dealer wholesale price on the plain jane Mini-14 is now $850 plus and in the store over $1,000. You can buy many off brand AR-15's for half of that. And even more bizarre I have seen Ruger revolvers selling sometimes for more than a Smith & Wesson.
When Ruger or the Talo/Ruger comes out with a new "latest and greatest" chances are you will never even encounter one "live and on the hoof" in a gun store and if you really luck out and find one be prepared to pay pie in the sky prices for one.
Addendum: I had a buddy who drove 50 miles just to find One 1lb can of Bullseye Gun Powder and he paid $100 to get it at a gun store. The store only gave him this special low price out of the kindness of their hearts (sarcasm).
When Ruger or the Talo/Ruger comes out with a new "latest and greatest" chances are you will never even encounter one "live and on the hoof" in a gun store and if you really luck out and find one be prepared to pay pie in the sky prices for one.
Addendum: I had a buddy who drove 50 miles just to find One 1lb can of Bullseye Gun Powder and he paid $100 to get it at a gun store. The store only gave him this special low price out of the kindness of their hearts (sarcasm).
contender
Ruger Guru
" the prices are truly outrageous"
If you haven't noticed,, EVERYTHING has increased a LOT in just the last few years. Not just guns. Pre-covid, pre-free money, pre-stay at home, pre-$15 minimum wage, etc.
These things cost,, and the expense gets passed to everything. Especially high demand, low supply items.
"When Ruger or the Talo/Ruger comes out with a new "latest and greatest" chances are you will never even encounter one "live and on the hoof" in a gun store"
Actually, for many years now,, Ruger has reversed that problem. When Bill was alive,, and a new model was introduced,, it'd be 2-3 years before the supply allowed them to be easier to find. Now,, Ruger often has guns shipped to dealers BEFORE the announcement,, so that when they make the announcement, guns are available the same day. Yes,,, they sell quickly like that, and follow-up deliveries are based upon the sales demands.
The "non-plasticky guns are in short supply" has always been a bit a bit of an issue. Those guns take more work & expense to build. As such,, production is slower,, AND requires assemblers with more skills. Once covid hit,, and Ruger's workforce dropped by 65% a LOT of models were put on hold until things could get better & closer to "normal." They are still struggling with getting QUALIFIED people to build some of these models.
Everybody wants a paycheck, yet they want MORE in the paycheck,, w/o having the skills necessary to EARN it. And many learned they can stay at home & do other things besides building guns.
"You can buy many off brand AR-15's" True enough. But look at your statement; "OFF BRANDS!" The market is saturated with AR-15 stuff. Good brands sell for more money.
But if you truly look around,, you will see that many SA models are being shipped to distributors now,, that haven't been available in a few years. Demand is still high,, and supplies are still lower.
The simple fact is our entire economic system has been in an upheaval for 4 years due to covid. And face the FACT that many in power do NOT want it to change for the better.
If you haven't noticed,, EVERYTHING has increased a LOT in just the last few years. Not just guns. Pre-covid, pre-free money, pre-stay at home, pre-$15 minimum wage, etc.
These things cost,, and the expense gets passed to everything. Especially high demand, low supply items.
"When Ruger or the Talo/Ruger comes out with a new "latest and greatest" chances are you will never even encounter one "live and on the hoof" in a gun store"
Actually, for many years now,, Ruger has reversed that problem. When Bill was alive,, and a new model was introduced,, it'd be 2-3 years before the supply allowed them to be easier to find. Now,, Ruger often has guns shipped to dealers BEFORE the announcement,, so that when they make the announcement, guns are available the same day. Yes,,, they sell quickly like that, and follow-up deliveries are based upon the sales demands.
The "non-plasticky guns are in short supply" has always been a bit a bit of an issue. Those guns take more work & expense to build. As such,, production is slower,, AND requires assemblers with more skills. Once covid hit,, and Ruger's workforce dropped by 65% a LOT of models were put on hold until things could get better & closer to "normal." They are still struggling with getting QUALIFIED people to build some of these models.
Everybody wants a paycheck, yet they want MORE in the paycheck,, w/o having the skills necessary to EARN it. And many learned they can stay at home & do other things besides building guns.
"You can buy many off brand AR-15's" True enough. But look at your statement; "OFF BRANDS!" The market is saturated with AR-15 stuff. Good brands sell for more money.
But if you truly look around,, you will see that many SA models are being shipped to distributors now,, that haven't been available in a few years. Demand is still high,, and supplies are still lower.
The simple fact is our entire economic system has been in an upheaval for 4 years due to covid. And face the FACT that many in power do NOT want it to change for the better.
If you want a Magnum get a Magnum.
The economy has gone on way to long now without a big recession and we are definitely due for a big one. This will absolutely lower the prices way down immediately on "used" guns , especially the outrageous prices they are asking for old military weapons. New gun prices will go down somewhat as well simply because they are way overpriced in comparison to the actual cost of producing them. Covid did drive prices up but it was not responsible for the rip off prices being charged today. That comes under the category of blind greed.
Last spring I was set up at a gun show and it was a total joke and complete waste of my time. I had some low priced pistol rugs and rifle sleeves for sale and in years past I sold them with no problems. I sold almost nothing at the show for the simple reason that none of the people at the show were dumb enough to pay the outrageous prices on any of the used guns for sale because everything used at the show was $800 or $900 dollars or even more. The people all just laughed at the people hawking their guns and sat around shooting the bull. I could hardly blame them. It was the only show in my memory where I too found zero items to buy.
I have seen "used guns" like the old FN 1922 prices go from a reasonable $300 (I bought 2 pre-covid) now suddenly jump to $1,000 and even $1,200. Naturally people just laughed at these outrageous prices and simply walked away. I spoke to one old friend and he told me he came to the show to walk around and get some exercise and talk to old friend's but certainly not to blow his money on any of the outrageous prices being asked.
Yes I feel the same way you do. Our only hope now is to avoid gun shows altogether and buy guns from our friends. Their prices usually are far more reasonable and often you can even trade with them to make it financially far less painful.
sack peterson
Single-Sixer
The new NM Flattops are abundant on Gunbroker and Buds.
contender
Ruger Guru
"none of the people at the show were dumb enough to pay the outrageous prices on any of the used guns for sale"
While it may SEEM like that,, in reality,, a lot of the market demand has also driven up gun prices. It has been noted that there are a LOT of new, first time gun owners in the market. They have not experienced the pre-covid prices,, and are willing to pay whatever to get a gun or ammo etc at the now newer higher prices. I've witnessed it at gun shows where I watched a good friend sell stuff that was desired to obviously new gun owners at prices I'd consider way too high. When discussing this,, he allowed that his supply was very limited & it didn't seem to matter to some people.
Yes,, those of us who've been involved for a decade or more are in "sticker shock" at what stuff sells for. Yet,, it is selling.
Until we do have a serious recession or a depression,, everything will keep costing us a lot more than it did 4 years ago.
Remember,, just a few years ago,, how many people would be looking for ammo, powder, primers or even many models of guns, only to NOT find them anywhere. And once they did,, they'd pay a LOT more than pre-covid prices,, just to have what they wanted.
I too long for things to be like they were 4 years ago. But unless we have a serious turn-around in EVERYTHING,, prices will stay a lot higher than we'd wish for.
While it may SEEM like that,, in reality,, a lot of the market demand has also driven up gun prices. It has been noted that there are a LOT of new, first time gun owners in the market. They have not experienced the pre-covid prices,, and are willing to pay whatever to get a gun or ammo etc at the now newer higher prices. I've witnessed it at gun shows where I watched a good friend sell stuff that was desired to obviously new gun owners at prices I'd consider way too high. When discussing this,, he allowed that his supply was very limited & it didn't seem to matter to some people.
Yes,, those of us who've been involved for a decade or more are in "sticker shock" at what stuff sells for. Yet,, it is selling.
Until we do have a serious recession or a depression,, everything will keep costing us a lot more than it did 4 years ago.
Remember,, just a few years ago,, how many people would be looking for ammo, powder, primers or even many models of guns, only to NOT find them anywhere. And once they did,, they'd pay a LOT more than pre-covid prices,, just to have what they wanted.
I too long for things to be like they were 4 years ago. But unless we have a serious turn-around in EVERYTHING,, prices will stay a lot higher than we'd wish for.
RugerForMe
Blackhawk
Why .44 Special Just make them .44 Magnum, then you can always shoot .44 Special out of one if you want to.
contender
Ruger Guru
"Why .44 Special Just make them .44 Magnum, then you can always shoot .44 Special out of one if you want to."
Originally Elmer Keith is the one who got the .44 magnum built because of the desire for more power in his .44's. He pushed the limits & beyond of basically a .44 spl, & blew up guns.
S&W in collaboration with Remington made the .44 magnum. Bill Ruger was given some .44 mag cases & quickly jumped into making them. Both S&W & Ruger came out with the .44 magnum about the same time.
The .44 magnum proved the need for stronger guns,, than what had been .44 spl.
That necessary strength required a bigger & heavier gun. Otherwise a small number of stupid people who think reloading manuals are just a guide & you can exceed the max loads,, would blow up guns, and hurt themselves.
The reason many want a .44 spl only is to go back to a smaller sized & lower weight handgun,, that's still a .44 cal. Same concept of having just a .38 spl & not just .357 mag. Lighter & smaller, and capable of doing what some people want them to do.
Originally Elmer Keith is the one who got the .44 magnum built because of the desire for more power in his .44's. He pushed the limits & beyond of basically a .44 spl, & blew up guns.
S&W in collaboration with Remington made the .44 magnum. Bill Ruger was given some .44 mag cases & quickly jumped into making them. Both S&W & Ruger came out with the .44 magnum about the same time.
The .44 magnum proved the need for stronger guns,, than what had been .44 spl.
That necessary strength required a bigger & heavier gun. Otherwise a small number of stupid people who think reloading manuals are just a guide & you can exceed the max loads,, would blow up guns, and hurt themselves.
The reason many want a .44 spl only is to go back to a smaller sized & lower weight handgun,, that's still a .44 cal. Same concept of having just a .38 spl & not just .357 mag. Lighter & smaller, and capable of doing what some people want them to do.
Yep. And you can bet there're a few within the Ruger engineering department who worry about the idiot element trying to turn their .44 Special GP-100 into a .44 Magnum at the loading bench because "everybody knows Ruger over-builds their guns". And IMHO those worries are completely valid.
The justification can be made that Ruger was able to build a .44 Special GP-100 because the SAAMI spec for the pressure in the .44 Special is less than -- like half -- that of the .357 Magnum for which the GP-100 was designed. The idiot element ignores this fact.
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