Military patches ???

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First, I wasn't in the military, so for all of you that served, thank you.

Now, im sure ya'll know, vintage clothing is pretty popular these days.

My daughter found a military style jean jacket a couple weeks ago. At first I thought it was just some knockoff made to look military.

But the brand is Spiewak. And I just now looked that up and it's an actual company that did actually make jackets for the military during WWII. And I would assume other times also.

These patches might be from England. We were on vacation there for July 4th and she found it over in London.

Has anyone seen any of these patches or know anything about them?

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And the jacket as a whole.
And another question. Would it be inappropriate if she wears this jacket? She's a teenage high school student, if that matters

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Like I said at first I thought it was a cheap fast fashion piece of clothing. But given the brand, is there a possibility it's authentic? Perhaps not as old as WWII, but something more recent?
 

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Definitely not military IMO, company started in 1904 in New York thus all the 1904 stuff. Not aware of any Airborne patch like that, patch looks like a play on Fort Benning Infantry Patch but it says "Follow Me".
Pretty cool jacket though
 

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The red square with the yellow "4" is the Fourth Marine Division, and is a military patch from World War II. The Marines no longer wear division patches on their uniforms. This practice ended shortly after WW II. The jacket is not US GI issue. The US "Ike Jacket" would have been heavy wool and definitely olive drab.

As to appropriate wear, we, as kids, wore any kind of jacket full of US division, coprs, army and Air Force patches, sewn mostly on the back but also on the front breakfast pockets.

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The red square with the yellow "4" is the Fourth Marine Division, and is a military patch from World War II. The Marines no longer wear division patches on their uniforms. This practice ended shortly after WW II. The jacket is not US GI issue. The US "Ike Jacket" would have been heavy wool and definitely olive drab.

As to appropriate wear, we, as kids, wore any kind of jacket full of US division, coprs, army and Air Force patches, sewn mostly on the back but also on the front breakfast pockets.

Bob Wright
Oh yes, I remember the Army Navy surplus store. I had a thick heavy trench coat from that store. Wore it all over during the winter in Northern Missouri.

In fact I still have a down sleeping bag with a liner from that store.
 

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When I was a kid I had a collection of US patches, plus a little booklet, in color, identifying each patch and a brief story behind the patch and the unit it represented. Wish I still had it.

The 30th Infantry Division was composed of men frm Tennessee and North Carolina. It consisted of a red oval with a stylized "O' and "H". The crossbar of the H had three "Xs", the Roman numeral for thirty. The O & H stood for "Old Hickory" or Andrew Jackson.
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I was in the 7th Inf. Division in korea, the 1st Cav. Div. to the east of us. The 1st CAV patch was a large yellow (color for cavalry) shield, wit the head of a horse and a diagonal stripe in black on the shield.

So, in bars around Seoul, there was the question and answer:

"What does that patch mean?"

"The horse is the horse they never rode. the line is the line they never crossed. And the yellow speaks for itself."

The MPs arrived shortly after that.

Bob Wright
 
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I buy and wear '2nd hand' military issue boots and clothing. If the clothing has unit or branch patches, I leave them intact. Not as an attempt to rob the previous owner of his service but as a reminder that someone possibly put his life on the line while wearing the clothing. At this moment, I'm wearing a NAVY blue shirt bearing the name tag "BARRON". When I was caught in the wildfire, two articles of military issue clothing saved me from more severe burns than I got-a pair of fire resistant boots and shirt. The boots were so hot, the soles melted but my feet weren't burned. You could and still can see the line where the shirt sleeve cuffs were--above the cuffs under the fabric was only slightly red. Beyond the cuffs, the skin and flesh was burned away. o_O
The only thing I have left of my service is a pair of spit shined leather boots that are so old they'd probably crumble if actually worn.
 
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Do they celebrate July 4 in England ?
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Yes. On American military bases.

As an aside, I was stationed in Spain in 1976. There were plans for a huge bi-centennial celebration, fireworks, food, music, etc. Being technically a Spanish base we needed their approval. At the last minute (the day before) The king, Juan Carlos, pulled permission. Apparently, he didn't want to anger the communists in his government. Pretty sad excuse for a bi-centennial.

As a contrast, I spent the 1975 4th at Ramstein AFB in Germany. Even though it was raining and with very low clouds (more fog like) there was a pretty big fireworks display.
 
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Actually there were fireworks on July 4th this year. Although it was because the Labour Party won the election. The new Prime Minister took office on July 5.
 
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When I was about 6 years old, which would have been in 1949, my uncle gave me what he said was a genuine "Ike" jacket with the attached waist belt. This uncle was a WWII veteran who had been part of the initial assault on the island of Tarawa. I loved that jacket and wore it until it no longer fit me. It never occurred to me how a genuine uniform item could fit me, a 6 year old boy, and it wasn't until years later that I realized it was part of a WAC (Women's Army Corps) uniform, still with her last name, rank, and other patches still on it.

During my own active duty service, I have several items of uniforms to my kids who wanted to wear the stuff, like field jackets and such, but I removed the "US Army" and the name patches first. Other than that I left the rest of the stuff on the items, like my branch insignia and the 101st Airborne patch on the shoulder.
 

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Do they celebrate July 4 in England ?
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One country that does is Denmark. Found out on liberty call will serving when my ship stopped there in July in the 80's. They love Americans there and are known for their beautiful women, I can attest to that. Just throwing it out there.
 

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I was in the 7th Inf. Division in korea, the 1st Cav. Div. to the east of us. The 1st CAV patch was a large yellow (color for cavalry) shield, wit the head of a horse and a diagonal stripe in black on the shield.

So, in bars around Seoul, there was the question and answer:

"What does that patch mean?"

"The horse is the horse they never rode. the line is the line they never crossed. And the yellow speaks for itself."

The MPs arrived shortly after that.

Bob Wright
Be careful who you disparage! In 70-72 when I was in the Army, the 1st Cav's (Airmobile) motto was "Death From Above".

In Khe Sanh. the journalists were playing cards when one charged in and said "The Cav's relieving the Marine's"! Most of the players all cheered. One asked "Why". Sean Flynne (Errol Flynn's son) answered: "The Professionals are here! The Cav may die but they don't "f+++ up!" (Related in the book "Pleiku" )

Official report: "Their (NVA) campaign against Khe Sanh was foiled by the unprecedented mobility of the Air Cav."

"In an interview conducted by John Plaster in 1984 and 1985, Hathcock stated that Apache led a platoon of snipers near Hill 55, just outside of Da Nang near the middle of present-day Vietnam, and had tortured Marines.[6]

In dramatized versions of Hathcock's life story, published by Charles Henderson, Apache is described as torturing captured US soldiers within earshot of their comrades. However, academics studying the Vietnam war consider these accounts to be untrue.[4][5] Hathcock's narrative suggests he shot Apache from a distance, working with Jim Land as a spotter.[3]"

In a "war story", she had crucified a Marine about 100 yards from the base, The Marine commander did not want to risk men to rescue him. The relieving Air Cav Commander left the command bunker, twirled a finger at his pilot and they took a "loach" and a gunship out, blew crap out of the hillside, cut him down. Upon return, the Cav Commander told the Marine Commander "There's your man, you chicken s+++, Mother ++++++. The Cav does NOT leave men behind!"

"LZ X-Ray involved the 1st Battalion, 7th Cavalry Regiment and supporting units under the command of Lieutenant Colonel Hal Moore, and took place November 14–16, at LZ X-Ray. Surrounded and under heavy fire from a numerically superior force, the American forces were able to hold back the North Vietnamese forces over three days, largely through the support of air power and heavy artillery bombardment, which the North Vietnamese lacked. The Americans claimed LZ X-Ray as a tactical victory, citing a 10:1 kill ratio."

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Medal of Honor
  • 2nd Lt. Walter Marm, Company A, 1st Battalion, 7th Cavalry, received the Medal of Honor on Nov. 15, 1967, for his actions while serving as a platoon leader on 14 November during the 3-day battle at LZ X-Ray. His medal citation recounts exemplary acts of conspicuous gallantry, some of them performed while severely wounded.[71]
  • Helicopter pilots during the battle Capt. Ed Freeman and Maj. Bruce Crandall were each awarded the Medal of Honor on July 16, 2001, and Feb. 26, 2007, respectively, for Freeman's 14 and Crandall's 22 volunteer flights in their unarmed Hueys[72] into LZ X-Ray while enemy fire was so heavy that medical evacuation helicopters refused to approach. With each flight, Crandall and Freeman delivered much needed water and ammunition and extracted wounded soldiers, saving countless lives.[73]
Distinguished Service Cross, Silver Star, and Bronze Star Medal
  • Lt. Col. Harold "Hal" Moore, commanding officer of the 1st Battalion, 7th Cavalry Regiment was awarded the Distinguished Service Cross for his actions at LZ X-Ray. His DSC citation commends his "leadership by example", his skill in battle against overwhelming odds and his unwavering courage.[74]
  • Sgt. Ernie Savage's precise placement of artillery throughout the siege of the "Lost Platoon" enabled the platoon to survive the long ordeal. For his "gallantry under relentless enemy fire on an otherwise insignificant knoll in the valley of the Ia Drang", Ernie Savage received the Distinguished Service Cross.[75]
  • 2nd Lt. John Geoghegan was posthumously awarded the Silver Star, Bronze Star, Purple Heart, and the Air Medal. He was killed during the battle when he rushed to the aid of fellow soldier, Willie Godbolt, who was wounded by incoming hostile fire. Their names are next to each other on the Vietnam Wall.[76]
  • Specialist 4 Bill Beck and Specialist 4 Russell E. Adams (Platoon 3, Company A, 1st Battalion, 7th Cavalry) were awarded the Bronze Star with Valor in 1996.
  • Journalist Joseph Galloway is the only civilian awarded the Bronze Star Medal for heroism during the Vietnam War. On Nov. 15, 1965, he disregarded his own safety to help rescue two wounded soldiers while under fire.[77] He was decorated on January 8, 1998.[78]"
No, I did NOT serve with the Cav. In 1971, I received orders to join them but I was put on a medical profile and eventually discharged after a lengthy stay at Ft Ord, CA!
 
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