M17/M18 Sigs eject live rounds & malfunction with FMJ ammo

[hpman66]

http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...ounds-and-dont-work-well-with-regular-bullets
Army's New Pistols Often Eject Live Rounds and Don't Work Well With Regular Bullets
A Pentagon report reveals the guns continued to suffer jams and other malfunctions after winning an already controversial competition.
BY JOSEPH TREVITHICK JANUARY 29, 2018

 

[blackhawknj]

That's what happens when you want the latest instead of the tried and true.

 

[Rei40c]

This really surprised me. Maybe it shouldn't have, but everything I'd heard up to this point had been positive. The article seemed to expose things that would have been hard to miss it seems in the trials.

But as they said perhaps the "fix" broke something else and they are now waiting on the fix for the fix.

 

[hpman66]

More Info:

http://www.dote.osd.mil/pub/reports/FY2017/pdf/army/2017mhs.pdf
F Y 1 7 A R M Y P R O G R A M S
XM17/XM18 Modular Handgun System (MHS)

 

[bobski]

maybe cmp will sell back the 45's to the govt at a profit? lol.

 

[Colonialgirl]

I don't have a reference, BUT I seem to recall that there were a load of short cuts taken in the competition to pick the new firearm and its thought that the pick was determined even BEFORE the competition started.

 

[GP100]

They may get the P320 to work well eventually after they get all the kinks out of the design.. But I still prefer the tried and true 1911..

It has proven itself a very effective weapon through numerous wars. If it was good enough then, it's good enough now..

Just my opinion.

 

[blackhawknj]

In 9MM, the Browning High Power. Proven design, easy to field strip.

 

[ACE31]

Should have went with the G19...lol

The only good Sigs are the old German made Sigs. Not the polymer abortion crap Exeter is pushing out. :roll:

 

[blume357]

Still trying to figure the ejecting live rounds part... has to be a magazine problem. I will reply to ACE31 above... two of the four Sigs I've bought in the last year are not polymer framed.

Sig took the design of their P250 with the internal modular action as the actual gun part that can be transferred to different size frames reworked it to striker fired and there you have the 320....

What I can't figure out from what little I've read is the testers used 'hydro-shock' ammo in the testing and have now discovered that the standard military ball ammo does not work as well... does anybody remember what the real problem with the m-16 in vietnam was? tested with one ammo and then delivered with different ammo in the field?

I'm a Sig fan... don't know why they did not just choose the P226 or if they feel that pistol is too big and heavy for the average grunt or gruntess, then drop down to the P229.

 

[coach]

You have to wonder why fmj cause problems when it's historically hollow points doing that. The ejecting live rounds sounds more like a magazine problem.

 

[blackhawknj]

A steel frame M1911 in 9MM is what they need. Proven design, firing a 9MM is like firing a 38 WC out of an
N-frame S&W or a 44 Special out of a Redhawk if you prefer.

 

[dougader]

Well, I put about 250 rounds through my new P320 last week and it never bobbled once.... Winchester and Federal jhp's, WWB fmj and old cast bullet 125 gr conical bullet handloads from 1991.

And it's quite a bit more accurate than the 8 or 9 Glocks I've owned. I still have 3 Glocks, but I'm keeping the 320.

 

[wheelgun1958]

What was the issue with the M9? Too large for small hands? Too heavy for small frame people?