Long term review of my .22lr LCP2 as a pocket pistol

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Moparfreak

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My FFL is an ex Police Chief in South Jersey. He tells me that what they are looking for to qualify for a CCW Permit is equivalent to the same requirements a Retired Police Officer has to go through, and that's the way he is setting up his CCW classes. He thinks that people who don't use law enforcement rated instructors may have problems with their permits, either in qualifying for them or in case of actually having to use them. An RPO has to qualify with the gun he will carry, shooting at ranges from 1 to 25 yards, in regular and low light conditions. The minimum caliber acceptable is .380 ACP. No rimfire; no .25 or .32 auto.

With so much uncertainty in exactly what the State wants (when they don't really want CCW at all), I think I will follow his lead on this.
California is the same way. .380 smallest Caliber-for ccw and you qualify with your permit gun(s).
 

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All I will say is: This pistol shows surprisingly little external wear from the handling involved in firing 20K rounds PLUS pocket carry for a few years.
 

Dave Schwaab

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As I understand (so far), your New Jersey CCW is tied to the gun you qualify with. If you want to have options in what you carry, you must qualify for EACH GUN SEPARATELY. I'm not sure if you can bring several guns when you start a carry class (Paying additional fees for each) and qualify with each on that one classroom/test session, or if you have to take another complete course for each gun.

The complete set of rules is still not finalized, but the bill, A4769, that they are proposing is TOTALLY RIDICULUS. Pretty much the only places you can carry are private property, WITH THE EXPRESS CONSENT OF THE OWNER. You cannot even carry in your own car! You would be required to remove your gun from it's holster (No pocket or purse carry) and secure it in your trunk. Of course, while the gun is in your hand during that transfer, you would be guilty of "brandishing". If you carry while walking your dog, and set foot on someone's lawn to clean up after it, without getting the homeowner's permission first, you would be guilty of a level 3 felony, good for 3-5 years of jail time and a $15,000 fine.

Also, your permit is good for 2 years, then you would have to go through the whole process again, maybe they could skip the finger printing, but the 4 references, the background check, the class and the qualifying shooting would all have to be redone.
 
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Also, your permit is good for 2 years, then you would have to go through the whole process again, maybe they could skip the finger printing, but the 4 references, the background check, the class and the qualifying shooting would all have to be redone.

Have you figured out the game yet ? You make it difficult and expensive so the average schmuck doesn't get a permit. They don't want what they view as low-information people carrying guns. That's only part of it. On the surface it gives the appearance that New Jersey now has access to conceal carry. One must remember that a Republican in New Jersey is no better than a Democrat in California.
 

Dave Schwaab

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Have you figured out the game yet ? You make it difficult and expensive so the average schmuck doesn't get a permit. They don't want what they view as low-information people carrying guns. That's only part of it. On the surface it gives the appearance that New Jersey now has access to conceal carry. One must remember that a Republican in New Jersey is no better than a Democrat in California.
Of course! They don't want you to carry a gun, so they make the problems of getting and using a CCW far more numerous, and possibly only slightly less serious, than your reasons for why you would want to have one. They KNOW it's all unconstitutional, but the time and money it will take to get it all struck down is their entire purpose in proposing such an elaborate list of "sensitive places", qualifying conditions and carry restrictions.

The possible destruction of your life, wealth and legal status is your punishment for having the audacity to think you could exercise your RIGHT in opposition of their AUTHORITY!
 
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I'm still interested in seeing the underside of the slide, the rails, the breech face, locking areas etc

Inside the mag well would be interesting to see as well

With 20k rounds through it, there's definitely a story to tell with those images
 

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"your New Jersey CCW is tied to the gun you qualify with. If you want to have options in what you carry, you must qualify for EACH GUN SEPARATELY."
OMG, OMG,OMG
 

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My FFL is an ex Police Chief in South Jersey. He tells me that what they are looking for to qualify for a CCW Permit is equivalent to the same requirements a Retired Police Officer has to go through, and that's the way he is setting up his CCW classes. He thinks that people who don't use law enforcement rated instructors may have problems with their permits, either in qualifying for them or in case of actually having to use them. An RPO has to qualify with the gun he will carry, shooting at ranges from 1 to 25 yards, in regular and low light conditions. The minimum caliber acceptable is .380 ACP. No rimfire; no .25 or .32 auto.

With so much uncertainty in exactly what the State wants (when they don't really want CCW at all), I think I will follow his lead on this.
Yes, NJ is a trainwreck. Prior to the Bruen decision I believe there were less than 100 non-LE CCW permits in the entire state. The idea that you have to qualify to LE standards is also nonsense - youre not a LEO nor do you have their duties. LE qualification is solely about liability for the agency, and you don’t work for them.

But again, New Jersey.
 

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