Lets Hear it for Animal Abuse

[mohavesam]

Arizona moves to make animal abuse a more-serious Felony, with Judge discretion based on the case. Not limited to dogs and cats. This is a good effort.

https://www.dcourier.com/news/2018/feb/10/cracking-down-animal-cruelty/

"Researchers are finding significant correlations between animal abuse, child abuse and neglect, domestic violence, elder abuse and other forms of violence,"

"While not every abuser becomes a serial killer, almost every serial killer has in their history some history of animal abuse,"

I like it so far... 8) Note that it is a Misdemeanor already to chain a dog in this state, or cage/fence a dog with no shade or no water. As it should be.

 

[Bob Wright]

Another one of those misleading headlines. Wasn't sure whether you were for it, or agin it.

I do fear at times this subject can go too far. There is a tendency to meddle into farm animals and sport hunting.

I certainly don't condone animal cruelty, but if I put down an sick or injured animal, am I guilty of abuse? What about the farmer's hog killing? Many a farmer I know puts down a hog with a blow from the flat side of a single bit ax.


But I forget, we are no longer in the age of reason.


Bob Wright

 

[powder smoke]

I like it so far... 8) Note that it is a Misdemeanor already to chain a dog in this state, or cage/fence a dog with no shade or no water. As it should be.

Common sense stuff, thing is people seem not have it now days.
Animal abusers need harsh penalties. Last year the State recovered a bunch of
horses that were so thin they look awful. Pained me to see it on TV, some people! ps

 

[Gator89]

Another one of those misleading headlines. Wasn't sure whether you were for it, or agin it.

I do fear at times this subject can go too far. There is a tendency to meddle into farm animals and sport hunting.

I certainly don't condone animal cruelty, but if I put down an sick or injured animal, am I guilty of abuse? What about the farmer's hog killing? Many a farmer I know puts down a hog with a blow from the flat side of a single bit ax.


But I forget, we are no longer in the age of reason.


Bob Wright

'Twas indeed misfortunate to be the runt in a litter pigs back in the old days.

If a dog was killing your chickens, or other livestock, you took care of business.

 

[mohavesam]

The article and Bill is about pets, not livestock.

But a neighbor down the hill had a horse in a small pen without shade or shelter for more than a year, no blanket, etc. Finally Game and Fish visited him and the horse was taken away. Dunno who called it in...

Deliberate animal abuse gets you in front of a judge, and he/she may have cats/dogs themselves...

 

[Gator89]

The article and Bill is about pets, not livestock.

But a neighbor down the hill had a horse in a small pen without shade or shelter for more than a year, no blanket, etc. Finally Game and Fish visited him and the horse was taken away. Dunno who called it in...

Deliberate animal abuse gets you in front of a judge, and he/she may have cats/dogs themselves...

As it should, if you have pets or livestock it is your responsibility to provide them with food, water and appropriate shelter for the species.

It is just that city folk have gotten too far away from the farm.

Few years ago a resident of The Villages in Central FL got concerned about a newborn bison calf in the herd the owners kept to impress residents and visitors. Said resident crossed the fence to check on the poor calf, mama bison was not impressed and expressed her displeasure physically.

Not long afterwards The Villages decided a buffalo herd was not necessary to sell houses.

 

[Salmoneye]

I do fear at times this subject can go too far. There is a tendency to meddle into farm animals and sport hunting.

Exactly...

We should watch what we wish for...

 

[Salmoneye]

The article and Bill is about pets, not livestock.

The wording of the actual bill is "any animal under the person's custody or control", not "Any Pet":

https://legiscan.com/AZ/text/SB1295/2018

 

[GP100]

Proof yet again, that we give a damn more for an animal, than a human being..

 

[GunnyGene]

The article and Bill is about pets, not livestock.

The wording of the actual bill is "any animal under the person's custody or control", not "Any Pet":

https://legiscan.com/AZ/text/SB1295/2018

That would seem to include chickens, pigs, catfish, cattle, and sundry other critters that we have for supper. No exclusion for food sources? Who wrote this bill - A vegan? :roll:

 

[Salmoneye]

Who wrote this bill - A vegan? :roll:

Almost guaranteed...

Interesting if it gets applied to Kosher or Halal butchers...

 

[welder]

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[nvbirdman]

Any animal under the person's custody or control.
Will I get in trouble if I squish a spider that is living in my house?

 

[GunnyGene]

Any animal under the person's custody or control.
Will I get in trouble if I squish a spider that is living in my house?

Only if it has a name and you keep a tiny little chain on it. :mrgreen: Actually I think the bill specifies that only mammals are included, but still a pretty broad category.

 

[wunbe]

My hunting partner has a small herd of sheep --a couple dozen -- that have been ravaged by packs of 'pet' dogs left to fend for themselves outdoors at night. These are not dogs gone wild , they go home for breakfast and their owners recklessly allow them to roam at night. And get pissed when they are culled while running down sheep.

A fairly recent animal protection law passed by snowflakes in VA w/o due attention to its details now prohibits him from taking out dogs attacking his animals. He can only do so in self defense and the onus is on him to prove the danger they posed.

wunbe

 

[Kevin]

roof yet again, that we give a damn more for an animal, than a human being..

I don't see your point. There are already laws on the books about abuse to others (people).

 

[WendyZXZ]

The article and Bill is about pets, not livestock.

The wording of the actual bill is "any animal under the person's custody or control", not "Any Pet":

https://legiscan.com/AZ/text/SB1295/2018

That would seem to include chickens, pigs, catfish, cattle, and sundry other critters that we have for supper. No exclusion for food sources? Who wrote this bill - A vegan? :roll:

Precisely why a person needs to read the actual bill and not just listen to the politicians or the media...the devil is always in the details of the actual proposal and never believe a politician if they claim "but we would never go after livestock" BUT will never rewrite the bill to reflect that.

 

[Salmoneye]

Precisely why a person needs to read the actual bill and not just listen to the politicians or the media...the devil is always in the details of the actual proposal and never believe a politician if they claim "but we would never go after livestock" BUT will never rewrite the bill to reflect that.

Exactly why I linked to the actual bill...

The media is useless, and (most) politicians are lower than that...

 

[contender]

First off,,, I work in the wildlife field. I deal with animals daily. I own pets, that are well cared for. And I grew up with dogs in pens and on chains. They had shelter, food & water & were healthy. A chained pet may be the best option for certain animals & real estate. Many is the time a has dog dug out from under a pen, only to cause damage & harm to others & such.
Such laws, especially broad & vague language can & will come back to haunt us. Anytime it's all inclusive to anything,,, it can lead to more restrictive laws. Remember how they had a "list" of "assault weapons" they wanted to ban? And then,, they wanted to add to such lists. Or they listed "features" of a firearm to ban?
No matter the law, it needs to be VERY carefully studied, wording selected that will do the intent of good & not be restrictive to honest people. We already have millions of laws on the books across this great land that are not enforceable, or even written in common sense.

Be very careful about what ANY law says,,, no matter what someone SAYS it means.

And about a few comments above,,, where GP-100 made the statement about how people care more about animals over people. Sit & visit with him about his current lifestyle, and how the "legal system" is treating him & his health issues.
Many are the humans who have lost everything, only to become wards of the state, where the "care" they receive is NOT what is SHOULD be. Or the care they receive is BARELY legal,,, and often such places have histories of abuse.

When we no longer have homeless people. When we demand shelter, food & water for all humans the same as pets. THEN we can look at animals & such.
PS; Just last week, locally, a homeless man died in a fire. He was squatting in a shed owned by a relative. No crime was committed.

So, while none of us approve of animal abuse,,, and people who do abuse animals for fun etc are sick, we need to make sure we do not pass laws that affect caring & honest people as well. The wording above,,, is too vague.

 

[Poco Oso]

Well said Contender