Just like the 1A and 2A demonstrators. Some law enforcement officers do not know people's rights. Let them do their thing, get a good civil rights attorney, and sue them, their department and the city.
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protoolman
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Exactly, when I was a cop I could have charged any random person I stopped for 4 or 5 minor things. Everyone is breaking the law if you want to get picky and have a good knowledge of all the laws, city ordinances etc.
caryc
Hawkeye
Yeah, blame the people whether or not they voted for "them".
caryc
Hawkeye
There can be 20 cars in one lane all going 25 mph over the speed limit. It's legal for a cop to pick out one and ticket him. Do you think he should stop traffic in that one lane and go down the line writing out 20 citations while traffic keeps building up behind them? Do you have a better solution?
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When I did forensics work for the LEOs with US Fish and Wildlife, I would make a recommendation. The LEO could authorize me to negotiate a non-judicial settlement, basically, a settlement (fine) or he could decline to prosecute, or charge the offending party. Then the US Attorney could prosecute or decline to prosecute.
Usually, a negotiated settlement would be preferred: saves court costs, the settlement usually required paying into a restoration fund or rehabbing the damaged property plus a little extra.
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In "conservative" eastern Washington, I have seen it several times in the last 20 years since we moved here!
contender
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Cary,, Not blaming ALL the people,, just the ones who voted in the bad people who made the stupid laws. (PS; I know a lot of the good people are out-numbered in many places.)
redhawker
Buckeye
The video starts with the Officer holding the guy's bag and telling him it's against the law and he's under arrest. I suspect, before the video started, he was told he couldn't do that at least a couple of times and refused to comply. If he had, the encounter likely would have gone as follows... Officer, "Hey buddy, you can't eat on the train platform." Guy, "Oh, ok I didn't know. Let me wrap this up and put it in my backpack (or throw it away)." Officer, "Thanks." They both go on their way. If anyone thinks an officer wants to do all the paperwork involved in an arrest, especially if it involves a use of force, vs getting paid the same to go on with their day after warning someone who immediately complies, I don't know what you're thinking. Of course, if the guy wants to play the "I've got rights!" game, and HE escalates things, that's on him...and yeah, then the officer will do the paperwork.
caryc
Hawkeye
But of course you never say that until I complain about your all inclusive statements. It's just more fun to complain about all California residents, right?
Actually there are very good reasons for the ordinance. Most people are pigs. In their own vehicles, even more so on public transportation. You can see how they litter regular paper trash. Now consider the health problems, not to mention cleaning expense if it were food trash.
And considering what I see on platforms and bus stops the ordinance needs to be more strictly enforced not less.
Perhaps the officers were reacting to the criminals refusal to obey the law. Simple solution to thi whole thing would have been a polite explanation by the criminal that he was unaware of the ordinance followed by his immediate departure from the area where he could then finish his sandwich.
But that would have required better behavior on the criminals part. Not something most people, especially the young and self entitled are known for.
And considering what I see on platforms and bus stops the ordinance needs to be more strictly enforced not less.
Perhaps the officers were reacting to the criminals refusal to obey the law. Simple solution to thi whole thing would have been a polite explanation by the criminal that he was unaware of the ordinance followed by his immediate departure from the area where he could then finish his sandwich.
But that would have required better behavior on the criminals part. Not something most people, especially the young and self entitled are known for.
In my mind that's 180 degrees different than what I was mentioning. My case example is DUII, its a crime. Some have been fired for that. The ability to decide on whether to enforce a law or not is not breaking the law except in a few cases. If a person has an arrest warrant, wording in warrant is, "officer shall take that person into custody." Another is Domestic Assault in Oregon that says " if A,B,C exist, the officer shall arrest." Nearly all laws read "Officer may arrest." Those 2 words have far reaching different meaning, "May and Shall". So if the law is May, Thats not breaking the law, it's giving more options since few two cases on same crime have exactly all the same facts.
Now, if you're talking violations, example traffic signals. Read your states laws. Short version, Oregon says drivers may proceed on green, shall stop on red. If a traffic officer stopped everyone that was seen that was committing any violation of traffic codes wouldn't get much done or travel far from the office.
I really don't follow your questions; I can't teach law in a few paragraphs. Maybe explain better what you mean.
Bob Wright
Hawkeye
Are you saying law enforcement officers should pick and choose which laws to enforce?
Bob Wright
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Ruger Guru
Cary,, I never put the blame on all people from California. That's why I put in my original post; "the people who voted them into office. I stopped long ago thinking all the people in Ca. were the ones to blame. In fact,, there are a few of y'all from Ca. that I've always considered my friends. You and wolfsong are very high on my list of the good people, AND consider my friends. I've always treasured our discussions, and the way you helped me with questions on grip making. I truly think you mis-understood my posting.
I know the good folks there are out numbered by the very liberal bigger city types that control the way things are done in your state.
In NO WAY was I trying to paint everyone in Ca. as being responsible for the way things may be there. If you thought that,, I truly apologize,, as it was NOT my intent.
I know the good folks there are out numbered by the very liberal bigger city types that control the way things are done in your state.
In NO WAY was I trying to paint everyone in Ca. as being responsible for the way things may be there. If you thought that,, I truly apologize,, as it was NOT my intent.
caryc
Hawkeye
You need not apologize for anything. I was in a bad mood and I jumped on you when I shouldn't have. I apologize to you.
I have book somewhere that is based on the theory that we all commit at least one felony a day. I tried to read it but it was pretty boring seeing all the somewhat stupid silly laws out there.
dhains1963
Single-Sixer
There aren't enough people obeying laws today. There is an entitlement attitude from people under 30 years old today that is out of control. Kids think they can run the household and parents let them. Divorce and marriage is too easy. Question. If the average kid costs $200,000 to raise, what is a single mom (with no job) having four of them?
My point is that the current world we live in is void of consequences for stupidity and void of 2 person family units. Tell things as they are. Somewhere a long the line honest feedback has become offensive and hateful, rather than wisdom and constructive. Damn the Vietnam era parents and after.
My point is that the current world we live in is void of consequences for stupidity and void of 2 person family units. Tell things as they are. Somewhere a long the line honest feedback has become offensive and hateful, rather than wisdom and constructive. Damn the Vietnam era parents and after.
contender
Ruger Guru
We are good Cary. I kinda figured that.
dhains1963
Single-Sixer
I blame the majority of Californians. 59.2 % that voted for Gavin Newsom. It is what it is and what you make it.
