Justify This

[JackBull]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-media-max-width="560"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Blind man gets arrested for carrying a walking stick <a href="https://t.co/vc5UICxymE">pic.twitter.com/vc5UICxymE</a></p>&mdash; Amit Shah (Parody) (@Motabhai012) <a href="">July 2, 2024</a></blockquote><script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[gnappi]

No surprise it's illegal in Cali to eat in public now. What's next? No farting making greenhouse gasses?

 

[DGW1949]

"Sandwich dude" was breaking the law.
"Police dude" was enforcing the law.
How far the confrontation get's carried depends entirely on "sandwich dude"....meaning if he hadn't kept arguing, he probably would have gotten off with an explanation and a warning. In any event, even if he didn't know any better, courts ruled long ago that ignorance of the law is not a lawful excuse.
Perhaps the guy should have just listened, cooperated, and finished his sandwich when he got home.....ya think?

DGW

 

[JackBull]

No surprise it's illegal in Cali to eat in public now. What's next? No farting making greenhouse gasses?

Point is the leo doesn't have to enforce the law.

 

[protoolman]

Wow a good thing the didn't see him forget to wash his hands, that's probably a felony in CA. Ignorance of the law truly isn't a defense but BS laws shouldn't be passed by legislatures to turn people eating into criminals either.

 

[Cholo]

Powers said in his statement that although eating in BART's paid areas is banned that he was "disappointed" in how the encounter between Officer D. McCormick and passenger Steve Foster unfolded.

California law makes it an infraction to eat or drink "in or on a (transit) system facility or vehicle in areas where those activities are prohibited by that system."

I, too, think the cops could have handled it more diplomatically. Results most likely would have been the same, but they wouldn't have come across as heavy handed.

BART Officers Detain, Handcuff and Cite Man Spotted Eating Sandwich on Platform | KQED

Agency's independent police auditor gathering evidence on incident in which man wound up in handcuffs after encounter with officer.

www.kqed.org

 

[Hawk-in-Wi]

another one to consider

 

[Threespears]

Good reason #20k not to go to cal

 

[Badger Matt]

Blame the lawmakers!

 

[contender]

"Blame the lawmakers!"

AND the people who voted them into office.

 

[Papalote]

So the LEO should just pick and choose the laws they enforce? If people just cooperate and do what they are asked things will go a lot smoother.

 

[kmoore]

That's what we should have law makers making stupid laws and then telling the police don't enforce them.
Remember the fat guy selling cigs illegally and the dumb ass city lawmakers wanted it enforced. Does anyone really believe cops wanted to cite or arrest cig sellers on street conners. The guy fights and just maybe he hates cops, wants to be beat up and get a paycheck. Hell he could have just paid the ticket. But he died, his family got the city paycheck.

 

[kmoore]

Jack not all police use of force has ever been justified. BUT, there are about 250,000 cops working in the USA. How many contacts those cops make each day? How many how arrests? How many people they arrest get hurt? If you have current data on any of those numbers, please share. Last data I read was about 10 years ago. About 1% of all contacts and arrests a crook gets hurt.
I bet you worked a job of some type, hopefully many years. What type of work did you or do you do. How many people are employed in your field nationwide. How many have broken a law or company rules in the last 12 months. Ask asking for a friend.
Zero would be great for any field of employment but that will never happen.
It would be great if all members of this site didn't break a law or a rule. Odds are some have.

 

[JackBull]

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Blame the lawmakers!

Again, the cops do not have to enforce the law.

 

[JackBull]

Jack not all police use of force has ever been justified. BUT, there are about 250,000 cops working in the USA. How many contacts those cops make each day? How many how arrests? How many people they arrest get hurt? If you have current data on any of those numbers, please share. Last data I read was about 10 years ago. About 1% of all contacts and arrests a crook gets hurt.
I bet you worked a job of some type, hopefully many years. What type of work did you or do you do. How many people are employed in your field nationwide. How many have broken a law or company rules in the last 12 months. Ask asking for a friend.
Zero would be great for any field of employment but that will never happen.
It would be great if all members of this site didn't break a law or a rule. Odds are some have.

The problem is that the other leos and citizens support this type of behavior so that the bad cops are not removed. Where I worked you were generally fired for on the job infractions.

 

[JackBull]

That's what we should have law makers making stupid laws and then telling the police don't enforce them.
Remember the fat guy selling cigs illegally and the dumb ass city lawmakers wanted it enforced. Does anyone really believe cops wanted to cite or arrest cig sellers on street conners. The guy fights and just maybe he hates cops, wants to be beat up and get a paycheck. Hell he could have just paid the ticket. But he died, his family got the city paycheck.

That person DID NOT FIGHT, he just did not want to be man handled and the cops went ballistic.

 

[kmoore]

That person DID NOT FIGHT, he just did not want to be man handled and the cops went ballistic.

Being man handled is what happens when you are being arrested and resist.

 

[kmoore]

The problem is that the other leos and citizens support this type of behavior so that the bad cops are not removed. Where I worked you were generally fired for on the job infractions.

As liberal as Oregon is the cops are not allowed to break laws or rules without firing, arrest or other discipline. I knew and worked with hundreds over my 39 years. None ever hid/supported/defended others who went "rogue" as we called them. As said, that's a job ender. Maybe it happened at one time, 1960s? I was told it did. It's not now or in the last few decades.

 

[blume357]

In retrospect there is probably a good reason for the rule or law to not eat a sandwich or anything else on a train platform. People drop stuff they are eating all the time and it can be dangerous to step on such.... besides that, it is always someone else who has to clean it up. As for that video... the guy eating the sandwich is an idiot... the cop probably could have dealt with it better but he was dealing with an idiot and so how do you properly deal with someone like that? The only time I've heard of how to deal with folks (idiots) when you are in a situation like that is to be polite and explain they are doing something wrong, depending on their next response you then explain what is going to happen if they don't stop doing what they are doing or leave... then if need be you explain it one more time and give them once chance to comply and then you do exactly what you said you were going to do. This was from a friend who was doing security duty at a federal court house.

 

[JackBull]

As liberal as Oregon is the cops are not allowed to break laws or rules without firing, arrest or other discipline. I knew and worked with hundreds over my 39 years. None ever hid/supported/defended others who went "rogue" as we called them. As said, that's a job ender. Maybe it happened at one time, 1960s? I was told it did. It's not now or in the last few decades.

What do you mean cops are not allowed to break laws? They have the ability to decide on whether or not to enforce a law and how to do so.