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Shamus2022

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I am 81 and have carried my uncle's WWII 1911 (also 81) hammer down for over 50 years w/o incident. If you can't manage to thumb a hammer in the time it takes to draw then you should carry a Glock.... and even if you love the thumb safety at some point (other than shooting the gun empty) you will have to use your thumb to raise or lower the hammer. Furthermore, I can drop the hammer one handed (or one thumbed) w/o using my left hand.
 

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I am 81 and have carried my uncle's WWII 1911 (also 81) hammer down for over 50 years w/o incident. If you can't manage to thumb a hammer in the time it takes to draw then you should carry a Glock.... and even if you love the thumb safety at some point (other than shooting the gun empty) you will have to use your thumb to raise or lower the hammer. Furthermore, I can drop the hammer one handed (or one thumbed) w/o using my left hand.
Taught myself how to do that; dosent mean i always do it, and dont recommend it to anybody, of course.
 

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It's been that way for many, many decades. The very early movies showed a SA six-shooter that they never reloaded. Or the way they would "throw" the bullet by the way they fired the gun.
Just think how many kids thought Jingles' "technique" was the proper way to shoot…..

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Just think how many kids thought Jingles' "technique" was the proper way to shoot…..

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I think it was bob munden i first saw show how silly it was of hollywood to have the cowboys throw the bullets. He would also keep an eye on the treeleaves to set up his blinking jokes. Got to talk with him backstage, he was very fast, very knowledgeable, a no-such-thing-as-stupid-questions kinda guy, with a smirky arrogance from how much faster he was than you. But great onstage.
 

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Just think how many kids thought Jingles' "technique" was the proper way to shoot…..

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Truth be told that was ay one time the proper way to shoot a cap and ball revolver. the gun was raised enough to be back above the shoulder, then cocked prior to "throwing" the shot. This was done to insure no pieces from the previously fired percussion cap would fall into the works tying up the gun. Many of the old timers back then kept up the habit even after that type revolver fell by the wayside.
Paul B.
 

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Truth be told that was ay one time the proper way to shoot a cap and ball revolver. the gun was raised enough to be back above the shoulder, then cocked prior to "throwing" the shot. This was done to insure no pieces from the previously fired percussion cap would fall into the works tying up the gun. Many of the old timers back then kept up the habit even after that type revolver fell by the wayside.
Paul B.
And the rest immitated that, not knowing the why of it? Even with c&b, you must pause to aim.
 
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Yes but the pause could be a nano second for some folks... or there are those that do not have to use the sights to aim... just point and shoot.

The legendary Jelly Bryce is supposed to have walked into a hotel room with a guy laying on the bed who had two 1911's aimed at him and he was able to draw, aim and fire and kill the guy before the crook was able to pull a trigger.
 

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You mean that Joe Friday on Dragnet was handling his revolver wrong when he would flick his wrist to open and close the cylinder? I am shocked!
Not so wrong, to so many, but definitely not conducive to mechanical longevity. Most wont shoot it enough to notice it getting shot loose, nor may the next buyer, who may shoot it looser and proclaim that make/model to be junk.
 

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Seems the guy who has no experience with firearms other than the other week when we went out to a friends range and shot a few handguns and rifle, I think his father just gave him an M1 Carbine and he was texting me and the guy who has the range today trying to figure out this 'M1'. His first question was "did he need to register it, he was told he didn't because of its age which is from the 1920's". This caused me to send him way too long a text reply..... it amazes me the ignorance of the average person.... just like a friend of my wife's last week who informed me that if a child is shot with an AR-15 you will have to use DNA to identify them.
Blume I had a guy at work tell me about watching a "news" show last week. He said they had a doctor on that said that the assassination attempt on Trump wasn't real. He said that if the bullet had really hit his ear like that & then passed by his head that closely there would have been trauma caused by how close the bullet passed to his head. I tried to tell him it was BS. You aren't going to suffer trauma if the bullet doesn't hit you.
My coworker said but that man was a doctor. I tried to tell him that even doctors can lie or be misinformed but he would not believe me. Blows my mind. Not trying to turn this political just saying how gullible some people are
 

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It is a little irritating after all these years of NCIS when Gibbs is chasing a bad guy with his 1911 UN cocked. You would think the actors could absorb a little firearm knowledge.
I haven't seen the show in a while but I thought Gibbs carried a Sig 🤷
 

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I haven't seen the show in a while but I thought Gibbs carried a Sig 🤷
He also carried a Sig (y) I am not expert on show but I believe he carried 1911 for the later dates of show. His mentor was killed and his mentor carried 1911. Not sure if Gibbs carried that particular example 🤔
 
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yes, there is an old Japanese proverb ..."there is no medicine for stupidity.."
learned of it in the Boys Scouts back in 1957 in new York, Camp Merz, Lake Chautauqua......can pronounce it, but heaven forbid after all these years try to spell it????
:cool::rolleyes:;)
do what you can to inform , and not have to argue, all too many take it wrong, and they are ALL "experts"......:(
 

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Just remember, there is a BIG difference between "stupidity" and "ignorance"!
I can understand not knowing. What annoys me is when people choose to remain ignorant when they could just as easily educate themselves with very little effort.
 
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You do know that the (spring loaded)firing pin on a 1911 is shorter than the space that it occupies within the breach-block, eh?....In other words, when the hammer is "down", the firing pin does not touch the primer. It must be cocked or else the hammer can't "throw" the pin into the primer and therby cause the pistol to discharge....so no-cocky, no-shooty....And futher more, if ya take a close look at the original 1911 hammer, you'll see that it is both larger and different in shape than the more modern renditions. That is because, as designed by the late-great John Moses Browning, it was designed to be carried hammer down and that particular hammer shape was the most natural for both cocking AND "uncocking" WITH ONE HAND by mounted troops, whom by the way, had to use their other hand to control their horse. Yeah, there was still a lot of fighting done off horse back at the turn of the 19th-20th century....As to it's "half cock" position, that is not (and never was intended to be) a carrying position. Just as with Colt's half cock notch which had been provided on their SA Army Revolver of 1873, the notch is there on a 1911 solely to arrest the hammer fall should the operator's thumb slip off of the hammer while cocking the gun....Of course, none of the above applies to guns with worn or altered springs, or guns with out of spec replacement parts, or guns which have been subject to alterations by well-meaning but basically clueless "tinkerers"........Point to all this is yeah, it is quite safe to carry an as-issued 1911 with the hammer down on a loaded chamber. I myself, did it that way during the years I spent as a Texas lawman...and still carry a 1911-A1 that way today....Hope this helps to clear the matter up.

DGW
You beat me too it Sir...

Navy ASF was issued 1911's and trained to carry condition 3.....if you were caught carrying condition 2 or 1 you had a lot of explaining to do.

As Rangemasters/RSOs/SAMIs we were required to carry condition 2 with a M94 Nylon holster with the cover attached.

If you were caught carrying "half cock" you were sent to sick bay for a psych eval...... 🤣
 

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He also carried a Sig (y) I am not expert on show but I believe he carried 1911 for the later dates of show. His mentor was killed and his mentor carried 1911. Not sure if Gibbs carried that particular example 🤔
The 1911 was his Dad's, started carrying after he passed.

Guns goofs on TV:
John Wayne in one of his first movies was a Civrl War era, he carried an 1873.

I like when cop shows evaluate the scene and find a shot bullet and says: came out of a S&W auto. 🤣
 

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Seems the guy who has no experience with firearms other than the other week when we went out to a friends range and shot a few handguns and rifle, I think his father just gave him an M1 Carbine and he was texting me and the guy who has the range today trying to figure out this 'M1'. His first question was "did he need to register it, he was told he didn't because of its age which is from the 1920's". This caused me to send him way too long a text reply..... it amazes me the ignorance of the average person.... just like a friend of my wife's last week who informed me that if a child is shot with an AR-15 you will have to use DNA to identify them.
So....explain to me a closed loop superheated steam system as it relates to propulsion engineering. I am amazed at the ignorance of the average person.

The point I'm trying to make is that not everyone has the same life experiences and interests. A "newbie," as it were, should be encouraged by you, not ridiculed. You are a newbie to the topic I brought up. Are you ignorant?
 
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