caryc
Hawkeye
Contender, I've never had any problems with bats. But, I didn't know they were some kind of protected species. Thanks for the info.
Illegal behavior,, never ceases to amaze me
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bobski
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contender...youre a great guy and a great gun expert.....but sorry, the only reason bats are protected is because a group of animal loving people swayed some nature lovers who had power, and got a law passed to protect them.
otherwise, bats would be brushed off porches, with no fear of being prosecuted.
to each is own, so, i view them as flying rats.
just like deer. deer kill people here in the ozarks and are shot like ducks in a rice paddy with no remorse.
thats why we are the ozarks, and not the hollywood of the south.
thanks for posting your animal concerns.
otherwise, bats would be brushed off porches, with no fear of being prosecuted.
to each is own, so, i view them as flying rats.
just like deer. deer kill people here in the ozarks and are shot like ducks in a rice paddy with no remorse.
thats why we are the ozarks, and not the hollywood of the south.
thanks for posting your animal concerns.
contender
Ruger Guru
bobski,, your kind words about me are what I feel about you.
But as for bats,, I didn't make the rules. I just have to follow them. But having taken several classes from biologists,, and having to learn about bats & their place in the order of balance in nature,, I actually understand their importance in Mother Natures grand scheme of things. Besides the huge number of mosquitoes they eat,, some species are also important pollinators for plants,, (even some of our food,) making them very important to the ecosystem. Mosquitoes carry diseases as we all know,, so a lot there.
Many people have fears, or phobias with different creatures or bugs. Many have a dislike of some species. And I have to try & politely explain to a homeowner why the bats are protected from being aggressively killed when in a home a lot. Yes,, it's your home. But poor construction allowed the bats a place to enter, and their residence is a temporary one once the babies are able to fly on their own. Proper repairs allow them to exit, not re-enter, and never return.
And if you did kill a bunch of bats this year,, but didn't fix the home,, new bats will find your home next year. Prevention is the key to having a safe home.
But as for bats,, I didn't make the rules. I just have to follow them. But having taken several classes from biologists,, and having to learn about bats & their place in the order of balance in nature,, I actually understand their importance in Mother Natures grand scheme of things. Besides the huge number of mosquitoes they eat,, some species are also important pollinators for plants,, (even some of our food,) making them very important to the ecosystem. Mosquitoes carry diseases as we all know,, so a lot there.
Many people have fears, or phobias with different creatures or bugs. Many have a dislike of some species. And I have to try & politely explain to a homeowner why the bats are protected from being aggressively killed when in a home a lot. Yes,, it's your home. But poor construction allowed the bats a place to enter, and their residence is a temporary one once the babies are able to fly on their own. Proper repairs allow them to exit, not re-enter, and never return.
And if you did kill a bunch of bats this year,, but didn't fix the home,, new bats will find your home next year. Prevention is the key to having a safe home.
bisleyfan41
Blackhawk
So, it's an OLD tree hugger law. Got it.
We as a free nation allowed and allow freedom to be taken so easily over such silly stuff. SMH
contender
Ruger Guru
I get it,, some laws are old, antiquated, or just wrong.
But instead of BREAKING laws,, work to get them changed. My posting was not about the validity of laws,, just stupid people posting about breaking them, AND advocating the same behavior.
As gun folks,,, we need to prevent the anti-gun types from getting anything on us to further their cause,, which is changing the laws to where we can't have guns.
But instead of BREAKING laws,, work to get them changed. My posting was not about the validity of laws,, just stupid people posting about breaking them, AND advocating the same behavior.
As gun folks,,, we need to prevent the anti-gun types from getting anything on us to further their cause,, which is changing the laws to where we can't have guns.
Cool to see someone else with an interest in bats. When I was in middle school, more years ago than I care to remember, I did a science paper on bats. Amazing creatures with a wide variety worldwide. I've had an appreciation for them ever since.
Cheers,
Tom
ps. I got an A, if anyone is wondering. lol
Don't get me started on Animal Control. Actually lack of control. Most of the workers locally couldn't make it in the private sector. They tend to be quite lazy from the top down.
I've had a rabid raccoon that when reported they claimed no one was available until the next day to respond. They suggested I somehow trap the animal and hold it for them. It wasn't until I threatened to shoot it myself (ala To Kill A Mocking Bird) that they responded in short order.
My neighbor had an injured immature raptor on her porch. Broken wing likely from an airborne confrontation with crows. They completely refused to do anything. Apparently they "don't do birds". I found a private rescue group that came out of Oceanside to come get the bird. It was released a few months later all healed up.
Then there is the licensing of cats. They insisted my indoor cat be licensed. When ask who paid fees for all of the feral cats being fed at a local park they said the cats didn't to anyone.
When my cat died, and I stopped paying they threatened me with fines if I didn't prove the animal was dead.
Worthless bunch of government tit suckers in existence.
I've had a rabid raccoon that when reported they claimed no one was available until the next day to respond. They suggested I somehow trap the animal and hold it for them. It wasn't until I threatened to shoot it myself (ala To Kill A Mocking Bird) that they responded in short order.
My neighbor had an injured immature raptor on her porch. Broken wing likely from an airborne confrontation with crows. They completely refused to do anything. Apparently they "don't do birds". I found a private rescue group that came out of Oceanside to come get the bird. It was released a few months later all healed up.
Then there is the licensing of cats. They insisted my indoor cat be licensed. When ask who paid fees for all of the feral cats being fed at a local park they said the cats didn't to anyone.
When my cat died, and I stopped paying they threatened me with fines if I didn't prove the animal was dead.
Worthless bunch of government tit suckers in existence.
jack black
Buckeye
I only see little Brown Bats.
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I was talking to some bat biologists doing surveys on the Yakima Training Center along the Columbia River. Each bat species has a different frequency of sonar. They discovered five "new" (recognized species just not ones known to feed along the river in that area) the first night of using oscilloscopes.
Little brown bats usually are the first out each night!
Little brown bats usually are the first out each night!
While annoying at the time, I miss all the nighttime windshield bug carnage from when I was a kid. Because I know what the lack of it means.
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Tom
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When I was in the Army, a buddy and I hitchhiked from Ft Ord to Ft Lewis to p/u his car. Got stuck in Laytonville (?- at the only streetlight!) at midnight and amused ourselves by throwing pieces of gravel up into the air for the bats to zoom in on until they realized it was inedible!
The First Sergeant was NOT pleased it took longer than we thought it would!
The First Sergeant was NOT pleased it took longer than we thought it would!
caryc
Hawkeye
When I was a kid, it was said that if you took a burlap bag with a rock in it and threw it up by a street light, a bat would get his claws tangled up in it and you could catch it.
We never caught one. Kids are stupid.
We never caught one. Kids are stupid.
freakindawgen
Single-Sixer
Years ago had a couple of bats in the hanger. Lots of bugs around the lights. Kept flying back and forth so I tossed a small nut up. It caught it then flew back over and dropped it on me.
freakindawgen
Single-Sixer
In Boy Scout's summer camp the older kids talked the younger ones that when a mosquito bites you, tighten up your arm and he can't get away and will fill up and explode. Now picture 5 kids letting mosquitos bite them till full and fly away. Do it again, must not have tightened up enough.When I was a kid, it was said that if you took a burlap bag with a rock in it and threw it up by a street light, a bat would get his claws tangled up in it and you could catch it.
We never caught one. Kids are stupid.
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contender
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Jeepnik,, I FULLY understand your frustration at the lack of state employed Animal Control officers. Due to their too few employees,, lack of a good budget,, I was once charged with animal cruelty when I shot a dog. I was acting on orders from my mother who had tried to get action from A/C without any success.
Taxpayer money goes into a budget,, and sadly,, not enough officers to truly do the job.
I'm State Certified,, but I'm not a State employee. Due to the laws,, (domestic animals,, vs wildlife) A/C is usually restricted against dealing with wild animals unless it's an immediate threat to human life.
Here in NC,, the State realized they didn't have the manpower to answer the wild animal complaint calls,, so the Wildlife Control Agent program was developed. Train, certify, and oversee private individuals or companies in dealing with wild animal & human conflict issues. That frees up the enforcement officers to go after law-breakers.
And as mentioned,, domestic animals are covered under different laws than wildlife,, so how to deal with them depends upon what type of animal it is. Domestic,, local LEO animal control officers. Wildlife,, WDC agents or depending upon the species, directly with the NC Wildlife Commission.
Also in NC,, we have another program,, called "Wildlife Rehabilitaters" They are certified to take wild animals and if possible,, give first aid, save them, & eventually release them back into the wild. These people usually specialize in specific species. Raptors is one of the ones some do. They must have the facilities, and training to do that as well.
Bats;
Taken directly from the NC Wildlife Commission website; (ncwildlife.org)
There are 17 species of bats found in North Carolina. Three of which are listed as federally endangered and one is listed as federally threatened. Five other species of bats are listed as threatened and special concern in North Carolina. A list of all of the protected species in North Carolina can be found here. Due to the protection of bats, most damage situations must be resolved using non-lethal methods such as exclusion.
Taxpayer money goes into a budget,, and sadly,, not enough officers to truly do the job.
I'm State Certified,, but I'm not a State employee. Due to the laws,, (domestic animals,, vs wildlife) A/C is usually restricted against dealing with wild animals unless it's an immediate threat to human life.
Here in NC,, the State realized they didn't have the manpower to answer the wild animal complaint calls,, so the Wildlife Control Agent program was developed. Train, certify, and oversee private individuals or companies in dealing with wild animal & human conflict issues. That frees up the enforcement officers to go after law-breakers.
And as mentioned,, domestic animals are covered under different laws than wildlife,, so how to deal with them depends upon what type of animal it is. Domestic,, local LEO animal control officers. Wildlife,, WDC agents or depending upon the species, directly with the NC Wildlife Commission.
Also in NC,, we have another program,, called "Wildlife Rehabilitaters" They are certified to take wild animals and if possible,, give first aid, save them, & eventually release them back into the wild. These people usually specialize in specific species. Raptors is one of the ones some do. They must have the facilities, and training to do that as well.
Bats;
Taken directly from the NC Wildlife Commission website; (ncwildlife.org)
There are 17 species of bats found in North Carolina. Three of which are listed as federally endangered and one is listed as federally threatened. Five other species of bats are listed as threatened and special concern in North Carolina. A list of all of the protected species in North Carolina can be found here. Due to the protection of bats, most damage situations must be resolved using non-lethal methods such as exclusion.
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caryc
Hawkeye
You're lucky that's all it dropped on you.
caryc
Hawkeye
As I said kids are stupid.In Boy Scout's summer camp the older kids talked the younger ones that when a mosquito bites you, tighten up your arm and he can't get away and will fill up and explode. Now picture 5 kids letting mosquitos bite them till full and fly away. Do it again, must not have tightened up enough.
Bigbore5
Single-Sixer
I wish @contender could release a few of the bats he relocates here. I haven't seen one in a couple of years and the bugs have gotten horrible
Bogbore5, go to Austin, Texas' Congress Street bridge over the lake. 1.5 million bats live there (all varieties) and fly out every night to slaughter the mosquito population. I'm sure Austin won't miss a few hundred if you took them back to NC.
We can sit out on our deck in the evening and watch the bats work. Fascinating. 
