Illegal activities

[black1970]

I am in Tennessee. I have been stopped twice in the last few years. Once by a city cop and once by the THP. They know that you are probably carrying because they run your tag number before they get out of their car. I did not tell them I had a gun nor did they ask. City cop gave me a ticket. THP let me go.

 

[Mike J]

Remember to kill any Pythons or Iguanas humanely in Florida.

I'm not in Florida but I have seen people post on a F-book group for this area saying they had seen a python in their yard. They were attempting to notify the owner to come get their snake. If I see a non native species of constrictor in my yard that is that large it is going to die. No one will be notified. It will not be posted on a f-book page. Those snakes do not belong here.

 

[Hvymax]

I'm not in Florida but I have seen people post on a F-book group for this area saying they had seen a python in their yard. They were attempting to notify the owner to come get their snake. If I see a non native species of constrictor in my yard that is that large it is going to die. No one will be notified. It will not be posted on a f-book page. Those snakes do not belong here.

I would have a few new holsters and some boots!!!

 

[contender]

This thread was started to hopefully get a few folks to understand that this Forum is filled with good, honest, law-abiding folks who happen to maybe own guns. Or support gun ownership, especially about Rugers.

In states where you are required to report to a LEO you are carrying during an interaction with them, by all means, FOLLOW THE LAW.
But if in a state that doesn't require it,, you are not obligated to do so, and it's your right to keep it to yourself. But having LEO's in my family, as well as seeing a few posts above, LEO's FOR THE MOST PART,, are good honest people too. They just have to deal with the dregs of society so much that they are not only suspicious a lot,, but easily bothered if they discover a person carrying a firearm AFTER they've been dealing with any kind of incident.
Let's not forget the riots, the defund the police, the unprovoked attacks (AND killings) on a uniformed officer, or the MANY reasons they can be suspicious.

As the saying goes; "Put yourself in their shoes & walk a mile before passing judgement!"

But that aside,, this thread was mostly about the simple fact that a few folks,,, often post something that is promoting illegal activities, and that is not only wrong,, it doesn't point to that poster being very smart. As noted above,, if you do illegal things,, AND post stuff here,, it's very likely you are being monitored by some LEO agency. And if you do not think they have the ability or the willingness to contact other agencies to alert them of your actions,, wrong again.


We often talk about "Big Brother" watching us. Or the George Orwell mentality.

It's here.

There are approximately 330 MILLION people in this country. And the majority of them have a cell phone. Let's say it's 300 MILLION people. Cell phones have this wonderful little feature called a CAMERA!!!!!!!
And everyday people capture pictures & videos of OTHER people & their actions. Throw in the dash cameras, the business cameras, trail cameras, doorbell cameras, the city, state & federal cameras placed all over this country. We are all being watched.
It's on TV, the news, and the internet.

So, when it comes to this wonderful Forum, and the truly good folks here,, I do hope the few who do occasionally post something illegal will stop & think for a few moments.

 

[Mike J]

Contender, this thread did get me to go review Georgia's gun laws. I try to make it a point to do so once a year but I guess I had slipped.

Georgia does not have a duty to inform law. If I believe informing an officer will help them stay calm I will do so. If I believe it may lead to them being more nervous/on edge than they already are I will not. My objective when dealing with law enforcement is to keep them as calm as possible. While I believe most police officers are decent people doing a difficult job I have dealt with a few over the years that I am not sure should have been doing that job. Not because I think they are evil or corrupt but they seemed to have a lot of fear. Fear is a very dangerous thing.

 

[ronto]

Being "legal" in a certain jurisdiction doesn't mean it's constitutional.

 

[blume357]

I agree with Contender to a degree.... but here is the problem with blatantly following the law or even blindly following the law.... what if the law is wrong... historically this has been a fact over time....

on top of this; being on this forum for 'a while' we often have different ideas of what is wrong.

Oh, and the one time I was pulled over by a sheriff's deputy in N.C. and showed him my CWP card from S.C. which is how I was taught to inform an LEO that I was carrying, he told me I was supposed to verbally inform him that I had a gun as he was approaching the vehicle, (yell out the driver's window, I guess)....... I don't know if that is the exact law in N.C. but it has to be the stupidest thing anyone could do.

 

[Sirdutch]

Only stupid people talk about illegal activities that they have done on a public forum, particularly on a forum that is as politically and emotionally charged as firearms have become. It's also foolish to do so in private as well. Why expose yourself? Bragging is self serving.

It's even dumber when posters brag or admit to illegal activities that they haven't actually committed. Bravado can garner unwanted attention that can cost you unnecessary grief. It damages the cause of those of us supporting out 2nd Ammendment.

 

[peachhead]

In all seriousness:
those people who are going to do things that are against the law, are not going to pay attention to your post asking them not to.
They already think that laws don't apply to them. So why waste your breath?
This is like the facebook posts begging people not to throw trash on the ground, or get too close to other people's trail cams, or cut across people's property, etc. etc. etc. Those who need to read it, ain't going to; and if they did, they wouldn't care anyway.

People are going to do what they do.

 

[Colonialgirl]

Florida required you to inform the officer if you were armed; They could learn that from your auto license AND your drivers license; SO, the CORRECT thing to do if stopped is to roll down the window and have BOTH hands in plain view on the steering wheel when the officer walks up. The FIRST thing you do is say : " I am armed and have a CCW Permit ! Generally, he will ask where the weapon is located and tell you to keep your hands in view. I have never had a problem. PS: NOT STOPPED that often as I do obey traffic laws !!

 

[epags]

Florida required you to inform the officer if you were armed; They could learn that from your auto license AND your drivers license; SO, the CORRECT thing to do if stopped is to roll down the window and have BOTH hands in plain view on the steering wheel when the officer walks up. The FIRST thing you do is say : " I am armed and have a CCW Permit ! Generally, he will ask where the weapon is located and tell you to keep your hands in view. I have never had a problem. PS: NOT STOPPED that often as I do obey traffic laws !!

blume357 said: " he told me I was supposed to verbally inform him that I had a gun as he was approaching the vehicle, (yell out the driver's window, I guess)....... I don't know if that is the exact law in N.C. but it has to be the stupidest thing anyone could do."

IMO, my county Sheriffs are super cool and grant CCWs for the simple reason of self defense (assuming you can successfully pass the background checks).
Having said that my CCW certification trainer made several points clear.
1. Window down and both hands hight on the steering wheel. If you have a passenger have them put their two hands on the dashboard.
2. Never say 'I have a gun'....we are to say " I want to inform you I have a permit to carry." because 'I have a gun' may sound like a threat and might not result in a favorable reaction. Do not reach for your permit or the gun. Let them give you directions as what they want you to do.
3. Since our CCWs are issued by the individual counties (not the State) if you are stopped out of county and declare you have a permit to carry and are carrying, you will probably be sitting in your car until they can run a check with the issuing county.

 

[Hvymax]

I'm sure that Philandro Castile thought that informing the cop that he had a gun was the right thing to do.



I was once told by a cop, in a social interaction, that because he doesn't know me that he has to treat me as a criminal. If follows that if I don't know that cop, I have to assume that he is neither good nor honest.

We are all Criminals waiting for them to find something to charge us with.

 

[blume357]

When I first went out to Front Sight in Nevada one of the forms you had to fill out was a declaration that you had never been convicted of a crime. I wrote the owner a letter telling him this was totally stupid... how many here have never gotten a traffic ticket for speeding or such and then paid the fine? That is a criminal conviction.....

I have a book somewhere written by a lawyer that explains how the average person commits at least one Felony a day.

 

[contender]

To answer blume's comment about a NC officer, who pulled him over.
"he told me I was supposed to verbally inform him that I had a gun as he was approaching the vehicle, (yell out the driver's window, I guess)....... I don't know if that is the exact law in N.C. but it has to be the stupidest thing anyone could do."

That officer handled it incorrectly,, but I can say in NC,, you are required to tell an approaching officer of the fact you have a CCW and if you are carrying. NO,, yelling it out is not how it's described to us in our CCW class.
Colonialgirl has it right. Simply place your hands in a manner that doesn't appear threatening,, calmly, as soon as feasible, as the officer approaches, you calmly tell them you have a CCW, and are carrying. Yelling is not how it's done.
Our CCW is linked to our Driver's license,, and the LEO already knows you have a CCW IN NC. But your actions dictate how they handle the traffic stop.

I know all of us break some absurd law probably every day. We may not even know we are doing it, due to the fact we have so many laws. Many of them are ancient, out-dated, written poorly, or heck as mentioned above,, go against our personal beliefs in how the Constitution is written. And I too can say I've surpassed the speed limit, or didn't obey all the traffic laws 100% of the time. And I'm sure I've violated other laws as well.

But not major ones that could cost me my Rights, and especially my voting or gun rights.

And we are on a gun forum. As noted,, we are not only being watched by LEO's,, we are also watched by anti-gun types. They look for ways to use our own words or actions against us.
(I was surprised, somewhat, when I attended a stockholders meeting for Ruger several years ago, to find that someone had purchased stock, so an anti-gun person could get face time with the then CEO Mike Fifer. And there was a published write-up the very next day in an anti-gun rag & across the internet.)

We are (or should be) ambassadors for all good, law-abiding gun owners. This is my entire point of this thread.

 

[SiliconSorcerer]

I've noticed the price of firearms over 10 year old has risen in my area.
Blue states are just encouraging people to break the law, in some cases monetarily (to avoid costs).

 

[mirglip]

We are all Criminals waiting for them to find something to charge us with.

Fish and game laws are so convoluted and complex, I can only expect to be aware of some of them. Each year they get more complex. I think complexity has a motive. No matter what we do it's wrong and we must be treated as criminals and pay a fine. Meanwhile the private Federal Reserve bankers rob us of trillions, Wall Street insiders swindle us of billions.
illegals rape rob and murder while LEO's are sent to micromanage my life.

 

[Hvymax]

They keep changing the Rockfish and crab regs every week along with different regs for different rivers.

 

[Hvymax]

Fish and game laws are so convoluted and complex, I can only expect to be aware of some of them. Each year they get more complex. I think complexity has a motive. No matter what we do it's wrong and we must be treated as criminals and pay a fine. Meanwhile the private Federal Reserve bankers rob us of trillions, Wall Street insiders swindle us of billions.
illegals rape rob and murder while LEO's are sent to micromanage my life.

That's the idea Winston

 

[contender]

This thread was mostly about the all too often comments made by folks occasionally, that explain, detail or whatever illegal activities.

It was done to hopefully keep those kinds of comments AND activities off this Forum.

It has developed into some comments about various activities etc. To that,, I'd like to offer a piece of advice,, that was given to me long ago, by the State in my classes on Animal Damage Control.

"If you are called to do a job, treat it as if you are always being videoed, and that video will be shown on the 6:00 news, and then used in a court of law if someone THINKS you are in violation of a law."

While this site isn't a video, it is an open, easily accessed public medium, that could be used in a court of law.

Laws have been created BECAUSE people do things that are unacceptable to the general population. (Mostly) LEO's are hired to enforce the laws. They are not out on the streets looking for criminals,, but thanks to criminal activity, they have huge volumes of laws that should be followed. And a LEO is obligated to attempt an enforcement of those laws. It's in the courts that a person can argue their side of things. And that's expensive.

Our gun rights are constantly attacked, threatened daily by many who hate the Constitution (well, the parts they disagree with.) And writing stuff here that's illegal, even if your belief that the written law is wrong, can cause a person to be convicted if any LEO agency decides your actions, words etc merit investigation.

We've all seen it.

Someone does something illegal, (say shooting up a school or whatever.) And one of the very first things we hear is how that person "posted disturbing stuff on social media." Usually followed by; "Why didn't someone do something?"

I just hoped this thread would promote the idea that we are NOT a bunch of people who are law breakers or the thugs that anti-gun types think we are.

 

[mirglip]

Someone does something illegal, (say shooting up a school or whatever.) And one of the very first things we hear is how that person "posted disturbing stuff on social media." Usually followed by; "Why didn't someone do something?"

We have to acknowledge that the media is our biggest enemy. "Freedom of the press" is only free to those who own it and I think our Founding Fathers biggest mistake was not putting restrictions on it, although there's no way they could have predicted the power of modern printing presses and electronic media. The media is more powerful than the political process. They have the power of suggestion, the power of censorship, the power of repetition, the power of scrutiny and the power of smear.
I think our leaders have been foolish to squander our military budget on childish toys like aircraft carriers, tanks and helicopters when other countries can simply invest theirs buying up our media and entertainment business and do more damage by telling men to be women and women to be men and running the stock market and telling us which politicians to support and which vaccines to inject into our bodies and shaming us into accepting millions of third world immigrants and suggesting we redeem ourselves by intermarrying with them.