Hi Standard Sport King

[Star43]

if you have green followers, they arent 100 series mags. they should be steel followers.
we need pics. you may have aftermarket mags.
pics!!!
if you havent read my blog....read now on mags before you ruin your gun and or waste time fitting a mag not designed for your gun.

I will read your blog tomorrow. The mags I have came with the gun. I remember going back to see the GS owner who was a friend of.mine way back then in late 80's when I bought it. He is long closed as he got sick and moved away. I hope he is still alive. He was a good guy and a good gun smith. He said it was a nice gun. Even back then it was hard to find an original mag. He ordered the old Krasne's one for me and said that should work. Never tried it as I got into the 9mm thing and shot mostly all 9mm stuff. Haven't gone shooting much in about 2 years now as my shooting buddy has lost his hearing and stopped going with me. I went a couple of times but it wasn't the same. I will retire at end of year and am looking to go shooting more and want to shoot more than just 9mm. I have mentioned about losing my shooting buddy in another thread and that is what it is. I hope to get this Hi Standard to be able to shoot ....it seems I need to find a good original mag for it to work right....

 

[bobski]

pics!

 

[Star43]

Well I have to learn to do that. I use my phone now and my wife, as it is now, says I spend too much time doing this as it is !!! At least I can say I have 5 toes in each foot ....Poor Billy can't say that...

 

[Star43]

pics!

What do you think of the old Krasne's ones made in San Diego ??

 

[Star43]

I looked at your thread of Hi Standards.....Bobski, you are the man when it comes to Hi Standards. Folks should follow your link to really get a taste of knowledge from somebody who really knows what he is talking about. Thanks so much for your info !!!

 

[Star43]

When I read your thread/blog on Hi Standards, that I think on page 3, you mentioned about mags having a larger button and a smaller button. The two mags I had with the green followers have the larger button. The "new" old stock Krasne has the small button. I took it out of the package and sprayed it with some good old WD-40 and it seems to move pretty good. Yes, that button is smaller. This mag was bought in the late 80's or early 90's. I think I had bought the Sport King just right before in that time too.

 

[Watertender]

Just read through Chief bobski's High Standard blog...... WOW!!!!! I am impressed beyond belief! Thanks Chief!!

 

[jdavis]

Don't remember. Just have to try until you find what works. They don't need much bending, just a bit. No tools, just tapping or pressing with fingers worked for me. Just the lips.

There is a tool available to bend the lips available on ebay and Interarms TX. It will get you "close" but you probably will have to bit of final tweaking to get it perfect. It works on genuine mags as well as aftermarket ones. The High Standard section of Rimfire Central has much information about this. There are real High Standard experts there who know all there is to know about anything High Standard.

 

[bhp9]

I've got a Model 103 Sport King I inherited from my Granddad many years back. It's the button take-down model. Accurate lil gun.

One thing. DO NOT SHOOT "high velocity" (Stinger, CCI, TNT or other extra-punch) type ammo's through these guns. You'll crack/break the frame on the right upper-back side of the breech/ejection area where the metal is thinnest. ONLY USE regular ammo's (your cheap box and bulk type ammo) and these models will last for generations.

I'm only speaking to the Sport King models. I don't know if High Standard did different machining on the higher-end models to give them strength in the area I speak of in the upper sentence as I don't own any other HS models.

I find it hard to believe that High Standard would market the Sport King for use with only standard velocity ammo as it was never popular with the average Joe, they all wanted high velocity hollow point for hunting and high velocity blaster ammo for tin can shooting. My own Sport King is very picky on what brand of standard velocity I use and only works with the higher pressure , higher velocity standard velocity ammo. It works perfect with every Walmart blaster ammo I buy like Remington Thunder Turd.

High Standard went through a lot of model changes and perhaps they did make an early run of guns that may have cracked frames but again I find it hard to believe all the Sport Kings could not shoot high velocity .22 l.r. I am not speaking of the super velocity stuff that was invented many decades later like the Stinger, Yellow Jacket etc.

My own Sport King is very old and probably been through many hands all of which probably shot the heck out of it with cheap high velocity on sale blaster ammo. When I first got it and had so many jams with Federal standard velocity ammo I switched to high velocity Federal and other brands and only later, and recently found that CCI standard velocity due to its high pressure would actually work in my Sport King.

The only .22 that I am aware of and was documented to not shoot high velocity ammo was the early Colt .22 pistols and the details of the change to the gun so it could shoot high velocity stuff is well documented. Even the outside of the gun is different and probably done so on purpose by Colt when they redesigned it so people who know it was ok to shoot anything through it.

If you have any legitimate documentation about the Sport King not being able to shoot high velocity ammo give me a link to it.

I have often wondered if it is a myth that even the Stinger ammo would crack frames considering the fact that the Stinger has only a bullet weight of 32 grains which is basically just a glorified 22 Long from back in the day. The less bullet weight the less recoil as any handloader will attest to when loading centerfire cartridges. I have read that some people complained when the Stinger first came out that it did not have enough recoil to even operate some semi-auto pistols and rifles.

 

[bobski]

look at your slide release.
is it a flat lever or a round button?

 

[bobski]

its not nesessarily that hs was designed around standard ammo only, its more like it was tested with standard ammo. over time many learned that hi-v cracked frames. i/e: the 22 short variations developed wear on the recoil block, worn rails due to disimilar metal friction, and cracks on the slides with any short ammo. it was bad enough that it cracked with standard short, let alone the thought of using h-v.
most owners now have heeded the advice of others and stick to standard ammo for everything.
back in early 90's, i and a smith up around d.c. , designed and developed an experimental slide made out of steel to replace alloy ones.
it was dubbed the fishbaugh/rice experimental. i gave full credit to them for making it. it had quirks. believe it or not, i never gave up on it and long after they retired from smithing, i passed it to a local gunsmith here in portsmouth va to finish the errors. in 2023, he figured it out and got it working. so now i call it the fishbaugh/rice/stofell experimental slide. i field tested it at my range in mo last spring of 2023. it works. it now sits in the safe....finished, but i dont shoot matches anymore. i guess it was one of those bucket list things. (i dont like leaving ideas unfinished.)
best advice out there is.........avoid hi-v. will it shoot it? sure. is it worth the risk in a 70 year old gun? its the owners decision.
its not only my opinion, but countless hs owners as well.

 

[bobski]

im sorry we hyjacked your thread, star 43. all this should be on the hs blog in collecting forum.

 

[bobski]

star, odds are the mag with the hs marking on bottom is for that gun. keep in mind, followers can be changed out. plastic followers were an improvement over steel. it doesnt take much to swap one out.

 

[Star43]

im sorry we hyjacked your thread, star 43. all this should be on the hs blog in collecting forum.

I am enjoying this. Nothing is being hi-jacked at all. It's all about Hi- standards, and I think this is a great learning experience for a lot of folks....
Did you notice my question about the small button or the larger button on the mags ? For the 1951 Sport King, should the mag have the small button or the large button, or does it make a difference ?? I would think it would ?? Please give your thoughts on that .......

 

[Star43]

There is a tool available to bend the lips available on ebay and Interarms TX. It will get you "close" but you probably will have to bit of final tweaking to get it perfect. It works on genuine mags as well as aftermarket ones. The High Standard section of Rimfire Central has much information about this. There are real High Standard experts there who know all there is to know about anything High Standard.

They may have some experts over there which is well and good, but I doubt any of them have anything over our very own Chief Bobski right here. Read his blog link and see the long time experience he has with Hi- Standard !! I am very glad he is sharing with us right here !!

 

[GHollan]

Do you shoot it much ??

I haven't shot it for years. A reminder to take it out, clean it up, and take it to the range.

 

[Star43]

I haven't shot it for years. A reminder to take it out, clean it up, and take it to the range.

I am trying to follow my own advice !! Mine is very clean......just have to go use it !!

 

[bobski]

i dont stack up to many hs men on rfc. john stimson is one of them there are many others. we are sort of a family when it comes to hs's, just like rugers are.
there are a few here that would flank me too.

star...did you see my post on (is your slide catch flat or a round button?)
that will help me help you!

 

[Star43]

i dont stack up to many hs men on rfc. john stimson is one of them there are many others. we are sort of a family when it comes to hs's, just like rugers are.
there are a few here that would flank me too.

star...did you see my post on (is your slide catch flat or a round button?)
that will help me help you!

It is flat.

 

[Star43]

Don't count yourself short Bob.....I'm glad you are here.