Had a malfunction on my SP101 today.......

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bub

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Well, here is proof that, even though I feel that revolvers are inherently more reliable than autos, they, too, can have malfunctions. I know it happens, I've read about it happening but I've never seen it and, up till now, it's never happened to me.

I made it to the range for a while today and put some of my reloads through both my GP100 and SP101. The range I use is on a friend's private property and is in an old stripper cut. The ground is grass covered dirt with some ruts, which always seem to be mud holes.

I was shooting at the time from 75'. Coincidentally, there is a large, muddy rut at 75', so, instead of dumping the empties on the ground and reloading with a speed loader like I normally do, I ejected these cases into my hand to try and keep the mud out of them.

After reloading, I attempted to close the cylinder. Imagine my surprise when the cylinder would not close at all. I swung it back out and attempted to close it again, with the same results. The cylinder was dragging so bad that the ratchet on the ejector would just barely start to enter the frame window, then stopped cold.

After looking in disbelief for a second, I knew what had happened. I dumped the ammo in the cylinder and held the ejector star out and slowly turned the cylinder. Sure enough, a large, unburned powder flake was under the ejector star, keeping it from retracting into the cylinder far enough for the cylinder to close. Simply wiping it out with my fingertip restored reliable function to the SP.

When thinking about it, I knew exactly what I had done. Normally, when reloading, I tip the muzzle straight up in the air and punch the ejector rod. This time, because I had dumped the empties into my hand, I didn't tip the muzzle up all the way. When the empties fell out into my hand, instead of the junk falling out with the cases, it fell out onto the ejector star.

This points out the biggest problem with revolvers. Normally, as I said above, I feel that they are more reliable than autos. There is less to go wrong and everything is mechanical, without relying on the ammo to cycle it. If a round fails to fire, you just pull the trigger again. However, if you DO have a malf in a revolver, clearing it is often much harder and time consuming than clearing a malf in an auto. In an auto, all you do is "tap, rack, bang". In a revolver, you have to diagnose what happened and remedy it, which often involves tools or needing a rag or something similar. Even though I prefer revolvers for SD, I understand completely why most go with autos.

This just reinforces why proper reloading techniques are necessary with SD revolvers. The procedure I use (that was taught to me in Police Academy by guys that used to carry wheelguns) is this;

1. When reload is necessary, switch gun to right hand, if you don't shoot right hand:
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2. Wrap left hand up under frame, so that your left hand is similar to this. Hit cylinder release with your right thumb:
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3. With left middle and ring fingers, push cylinder out of the frame. Keep your middle and ring fingers on the cylinder through the frame window. This allows you to control the cylinder and not let it rotate. Your thumb goes on the tip of the ejector rod to punch out the empties, like so:
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4. Tip the muzzle straight up and punch out the empties. This allows all the unburned powder, carbon, soot and junk to fall out either still in the case or out onto the ground and not into the gun. I always hit the ejector rod two or three times to make sure the empties get punched out completely. It may be necessary to slightly rotate the cylinder with your middle and ring fingers to get the empty closest to the frame out if it catches on the stocks (which they do for me occasionally):
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5. While dumping the empties with your left hand, the right hand goes for the speed loader/speed strip. With the empties punched out, tip the muzzle down and bring the speed loader to the cylinder. Hold the outside of the speed loader, NOT the knob. Rotate the speed loader to align the bullets with the charge holes, let the front of the bullets enter the cylinder and turn the knob to release the rounds. They should drop into the cylinder; occasionally, some jiggling of the speed loader may be necessary to get the rounds to release completely and drop into the cylinder. Drop the speed loader; it has served it's purpose and, if necessary, you can pick it up later:
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6. Remember how your left thumb punched the ejector rod? Now, bring it back to the outside of the cylinder and push the cylinder back into the frame after you pull your fingers out. After the cylinder is locked into the frame, you can turn it with your left thumb to index it properly:
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7. You're ready too go!
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It takes a LOT longer to describe it than to actually do it. I also see where some recommend to tip up the muzzle and punch the ejector rod with the palm of your right hand:
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This works but, provided you can do two things at one time (punch the ejector rod with your left thumb while getting a speed loader with your right hand), I find that using your left thumb is a lot quicker. It's just up to you. This works well for left-handers, too. You just switch the gun to your right hand and go from there. In fact, from talking to left-handers that do this, it's actually quicker and easier for them because they are more dexterous with their left hands.

Well, that's it, I suppose. I apologize for the long post. I wasn't going to go through the whole reload process, but the firearms instructor in me decided to do it, just to demonstrate the procedure. Also, many thanks to my lovely wife for taking the pics. Also, no live ammo was used, except for the shot with the speed loader; I don't have any dummy rounds for .38. However, the gun was pointed in a safe direction (I might have killed some canned goods in the pantry, but that's it) and the ammo never left the speed loader.

Bub
 

deac45

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Great post, bub! Crud under the ejector star was the first malfunction...and about the only type of...I've ever experienced with revolvers. It's the first thing I look for if I get sticky opening/closing.

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meanc

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Nice write up.

At least you know it wasn't the revolver's fault.
 

mt

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Good post! Some of us had to learn to reload two at a time out of loops though we did get authorized to use speed loaders later on. :D

mt
 

bub

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Thanks, guys. I may not be the sharpest knife in the drawer, but I do know about instructing how to shoot a handgun. I've been doing it since '94 or '95 and I find it hard not to kick into "Instructor Mode" when I explain something. Like I said, I wasn't going to get into reloading but there seems to be quite a few revolver newbies lately, with the LCR and all. There are a few guys at my PD interested in the LCR and one has purchased one. I've been demonstrating and instructing a lot lately and, since I carry the SP for backup, it has become my default instructional tool.

There is one more type of malf that I have been able to simulate but, with proper reloading technique, I've never actually seen in the field. That is when a case slips under the ejector star. This is also caused mostly by improper technique- dumping the empties without the muzzle up, mostly. A spent case, mostly on the bottom side of the cylinder, will tip out enough as it ejects that it will slip under the ejector star. When you let go of the ejector rod, the ejector then pushes the case back into the cylinder with the ejector star riding on top of the rim of the case instead of under the rim. At the range, it's fairly easily cleared with a pencil or twig; push and hold the ejector rod and punch out the empty with the pencil. Under stress, I can see this being a BIG PROBLEM!!! This is why we need to practice proper reloads at least the majority of the time when we shoot. Remember, you won't rise to the occasion, you will default to your level of training. If you haven't trained properly, you will screw the pooch, big time.

Again, thanks, guys, and I apologize for the novel I wrote, even if it did have pics to go with it!

Bub
 

Sassi

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Thanks for taking the time to photo and write this up. I learned a lot from this.
 

the fatman

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Years ago saw a S&W 357 pierce a primer. It went to club status for the day. I agree with Bub when revolvers go bad its usually more serious. I have put more rounds through semi auto pistols then revolvers. And have had pistols that never failed to function. IMHO revolvers being more reliable was true before Beretta,Sigs,and Glocks came on the sence.
 

madd-trapper

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Its suprising that the revolver baffles people nowadays. Guys at my PD love my LCR but are clueless about how a wheel gun works. Started my brats out with a Single Six.
 

protoolman

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Having carried my ruger revolvers for most of my 20 year police career I liked your write up with pictures. I always reloaded exactly the same and did cross over and hit the ejector rod with my right hand. It is a bit slower but it really sends the empties flying out. I always felt the reliability was worth it. Anyway for anyone on the site here who uses a revolver I would recommend looking over the pictures and using the technique shown it does work really well!
 

ShakyJake

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Hi bub, Thanks so much for a useful and very practical post. To the administrators I would respectfully suggest that it be appropriately renamed and be made a sticky.
TaKe CaRe
Ted
 

bub

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Geez, thanks, guys! A suggestion for a sticky- I'm humbled!

mt, I know the way to load "two at a time", too. It's quite a bit slower but, if you've only shot off two rounds or so and feel the need to reload, it's a valuable skill to know. I don't practice it much but at least I know how to do it.

Sassi, that's why I decided to go ahead and do the photos instead of just describing my malf. If it helps anyone out, my work is done and I feel like I have accomplished something.

The Fatman, I also have had three pistols that never failed- two Glocks and my P89. I have owned quite a few that have experienced at least one malf, some a lot more than one. Although from an environmental standpoint, autos may be better in harsh conditions, I still think that revolvers are better overall. Less to go wrong during the firing sequence, provided the mechanics of the gun are good. Of course, I also carry my Glock 21 on duty, so take it for what it's worth.

madd-trapper, I agree about how a revolver baffles people nowadays. Like I said above, the LCR has stirred some interest at my PD for a lightweight backup gun, but most of the Officers looking at it are younger and have never even held a wheelgun, let alone shot one. At least once a week, I have my SP out and am demonstrating how it works, how to reload and letting people dry fire it. Simply amazing that, in the age of poly autos dominating everything, a simple 5 shot snubbie generates such a stir! I guess the older guys knew something after all!

protoolman, I had some instructors that felt the same way about the "crossover" method. It DOES make for vigorous ejection, especially if the gun is dirty! I've never had a problem using my thumb, though, and I religiously maintain my guns, so that's just the one I use. If you or anyone else likes the "crossover" method, by all means go for it! As long as someone can actually do it and not just talk about it, they're good to go!

Again, guys, thanks for the praise. As I get older, I find that I like a good DA revolver more than most auto pistols (except the previously mentioned Glock 21). For recreational shooting, give me a revolver any day! No chasing brass all over God's green earth and I seem to shoot them more accurately than an auto. I just find it a pity that it seems that very few of the younger generation will even look at a DA revolver, let alone actually shoot one! IMO, the only real advantage the auto has is in capacity- for me, the DA revolver wins in every other category. In fact, if my Chief would allow us to carry actual .357 ammo, I would strongly consider hanging up my beloved Glock 21 and getting a 3" GP100 for a duty gun. However, since we are limited to .38+P ammo, I'll stick with my Glock 21 for now.

Bub
 

ShakyJake

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Hi bub
Plaudits are well earned. It is great when a "senior" shootist who has the where withal takes the time to share his expertise with others. I recently read an interesting opinion where the author espoused using 4 rounds in a speed loader with a 5 shot revolver like the SP stating that the time wasted getting the 5th round loaded is too important getting back intoaction. I tried this idea several times and tend to agree. However I found that I could put all 6 rounds in the speed loader, reload 4 twice (2 speed loaders) and have 4 available if needed. I feel prepared, not going to a fire fight. As one of my first instructors told my practice is important, but proper practice is vital. Thanks again, your post has allowed me to refine my reloading procedure and using the speed loader is not a hinderance, just part of the practice routine.
TaKe CaRe
Ted
 
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