gunman42782
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http://www.gunblast.com/Ruger-PCCarbine.htm
Gunblast review of new PC Carbine
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pisgah
Buckeye
Sounds like one I could get interested in...
wunbe
Buckeye
The two piece bolt eliminates it for any serious caliber.
It will not displace my 44 mag carbine.
wunbe
It will not displace my 44 mag carbine.
wunbe
Don Lovel
Hunter
That is real nice, now make it in 10mm so it is decent for pig and deer and serious self defence
5Wire
Single-Sixer
So, 9 mm is not serious? :roll:wunbe said:
Might be good to see if and how Ruger deals with larger bore pistol calibers. The platform is there.
DGW1949
Hunter
When we're talking a 124-Grn .36-Cal bullet being launched @ 1400+ FPS, we're talking about some purty-serious 'thump' being delivered to the target. In fact, quite a bit more than has come to be associated with the 9MM cartridge, and more in line with a 125 being fired from a longish-barreled .357 handgun. Plus, there's no doubt that a 9MM carbine would also make for a fun shooter to plink around with...
...so yeah, I can see where enough shooters would have enough uses for such a critter to make this new offering a success.
DGW
...so yeah, I can see where enough shooters would have enough uses for such a critter to make this new offering a success.
DGW
22/45 Fan
Hunter
That absurd myth that shooting a thug with a 9 mm just makes him mad should have been put to rest decades ago. Current high performance 9 mm SD ammo is extremely effective and has made the .40 S&W far less attractive. Military ammo, limited to FMJ bullets, isn't ideal but good hollow points and expanding bullets are a far cry from it.
mike7mm08
Buckeye
Rei40c said:
The reviews I have read state it is plus p ammo safe. Standard 9mm runs at 35000 10mm at 37500. Would think he plus p 9 would be in the same range if not more than 10mm. Pressure wise I see no reason the 10 mm would not be doable.
DGW1949
Hunter
mike7mm08 said:
Assuming that there'd be adequate material thickness left after enlarging the chamber, the feasibility of a 10MM version would probably have more to do with it's increased 'bolt thrust' than it does with 'chamber pressure'.
DGW
Lengthy thread . . .
http://www.rugerforum.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=263178
http://www.rugerforum.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=263178
cyphertext
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22/45 Fan said:
The same science that has improved on the 9mm has also been applied to the .40. The shooting world is funny... we tend to follow trends of LE. But LE firearm trends are not always based on effectiveness of the cartridge. Sometimes the bean counter figures have more to do with selection than anything else.
xtratoy
Buckeye
I have never read or seen a Gunblast video review that didn't praise whatever gun Jeff Quinn was reviewing. Maybe there is one but I must have missed it. :shock:
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See https://www.lipseys.com/itemfinder.aspx?mfg=Ruger&family=PC+Carbine+Series&model=Pistol+Caliber+(PC)+Carbine&type=Rifle
Never understood the step up from 9mm to 10mm... but then I don't get into numbers as much as some... seems to me if you were going to step up you'd just do the leap to 45acp...
the real deal on this rifle is the potential for the mag change.... if Ruger or others can adapt the this rifle to other brand mags then it is a real money maker in my opinion... as I said in the other thread... my first two choices would be the older P series mags (I'm wondering now what the difference is in old p series mags and their new 9mm pistol mags) and after the older p series then go for Sigs....
I think on a lot of these mags the only difference is where the mag hold hole is.
the real deal on this rifle is the potential for the mag change.... if Ruger or others can adapt the this rifle to other brand mags then it is a real money maker in my opinion... as I said in the other thread... my first two choices would be the older P series mags (I'm wondering now what the difference is in old p series mags and their new 9mm pistol mags) and after the older p series then go for Sigs....
I think on a lot of these mags the only difference is where the mag hold hole is.
The whole FBI stupidity was a result of REMF FBI managers CYA when the 1986 FBI Miami shootout made their policy of shorting agents on adequate range time and training obvious. (If you don't hit it you will not hurt it!!). They picked the 9mm as a convenient excuse. Went to the 10mm with a too quickly/cheaply engineered pistol. Their agents couldn't handle that without a lot of training so the did another CYA with the .40 (they couldn't just admit they wasted millions of dollars by not going to the 45ACP in the first place). To be fair the final report and autopsy showed several wounds on the BGs that would eventually proved fatal. The fact that multiple wounds did not incapicate them was put down to a lack of the mythical Stoping Power. Speaking as an exEMT and attendant on several shootings as well as ER treatment there are only a few areas of the body, when struck, that will immediately incapacate a person. e.g. cutting the femoral artery will be fatal in less than 2 minutes and incapacitating in ~1 minute. This is not instant! None but the final shot would have immediately incapacitating effects, even if a 10mm had been used.
Thanks for your experience grobin, TV and movies have imbedded in us that one shot and the bad guy drops and is dead.... the reality is people are generally hard to kill, drugs and adrenaline can add enough time for a bad guy still do a lot of damage even after being hit.
