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bigbillyboy

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I agree with some that was posted. I have not bought a gun at a show for a while , but I have found some parts , mounts , holsters etc. But I do agree that a gun show is just that , not all the craft and novelties . Not really sure if knives belong there or not ? just my 2 cents 😉
 

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i use to do all the shows within a 150 mile radius.
then it dawned on me.
all the same dealers were going to the same shows i was.
in other words....i just drove 150 miles to re-do what i just did a week ago.
it was just like a carnival.
that ended it for me from a buyers perspective.
then i figured it out, all the dealers were doing were raking their same wares over different coals, hoping for better results.
and....i learned, the dealers buy the good stuff between themselves before the doors open. saw it too.
what a racket.
 

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I gave up on gun shows when we moved to Washington State. Way too small and only a few items of interest! The only good one is in Monroe, and it has some strange rules: "Join us at the Gun and Knife Show. Members can buy and sell guns at the show and only members will be able to carry firearms into the venue." I was interested in joining but it required that you be endorsed by two members. I had several members who said they would endorse me for a SMALL fee ($50-$100)!!!

None of the shows I've been to since moving North has been 1/10th the size of the Great western shows at the L.A. Fairgrounds!
 
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The last I went to I mentioned earlier in another post, but there were only three tables with hand guns. Lots of hats, tee shirts, and various useless junk. As a vet I got in free but it didn't take me very long to leave. To me a total waste of time and gas.
 
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We go to 3 shows a year, mainly because the Ruger Owners and Collectors Society (ROCS) gets invited to display our Ruger collections. Ohio in July, only OGCA members and their guests are allowed in. A few non gun tables but not many. Tulsa in November, well, because it's Tulsa, yeah, there are non gun tables but they are severely limited in number by the promoters. And in late January, believe it or not, a smaller show in Huntsville, AL. The promoters are fantastic, love to see us display our guns and there are only a very few non gun tables. This show is a laid back affair and is really fun to go to. It's the wife's and my mid winter getaway (other than this year and Huntsville had worse weather than we did in PA and the show got cancelled) - so we spent a few days in Pigeon Forge on the way home).
 
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You gotta pay attention especially at Gun shows! I pay lots of attention and watch
folks handling firearms that is pretty scary some times! I see a moron fooling with a
firearms I move away! ps
I've heard of anti gun people loading guns and putting them back on the tables. Maybe (hopefully) just an urban legend. I don't even like being in busy gun shops.
 
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BTW, for me, auctions do it. I have several that are trustworthy and have accurate descriptions. Bought a few from them at a good price, and when I was in PA, I had a local one, that I would make the trip to and preview the firearms. I could then decide if I wanted to come back and bid on them or not.
 

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While I too have seen several gun shows take a downward turn for the quality, the offerings, & pricing,, I have also been quite capable of weeding out the stuff not for me.
As Ron has mentioned, the OGCA show is a real gun show,, and only members or an invited guest can attend. You can only attend as a guest twice in your lifetime. While that may seem restrictive,, it helps keep out the criminal element for the most part. You also wear a badge with your name on it. And at around 700 tables,, of which some are just "Display Only" (ROCS for example,) you don't see flea market crap. It's against their rules.
I enjoy that one quite well. And I've managed to find goodies each & every time I've gone. Guns, as well as parts or other goodies.

Locally,, I just attended one this past weekend. Partly to meet up with (2) guys who had stuff for sale,, which had been offered on a local website,, AND to wander around looking for potential reasonable buys. My buddy bought a like new,, but shown as "used" Mossberg "Shockwave" for $375.00. He & I went together & bought (5) Magpul AR-15 30 round magazines for $45. I also bought a NIB,, DPMS AR-15 complete lower assy for $165.00. He picked up a few other little items. I also found a scope cape of the type I liked in a "grab box" and the guy just gave it to me.
Parking was free,, and show entry fee was $11.00.
All in all,, it was a good way to spend a casual Saturday & potentially see some stuff that MIGHT be useful to us.

I've also been a vendor for many years at a couple of gun shows,, and understand being on the other side of the table. Table rent fees,, travel,, motel if too far from home, gas & food can run up expenses. The promoter also has to make money,,, and the event centers have increased their fees as well. But if you have stuff people WANT,, and your prices are FAIR,, then you will have people buying, and you can cover expenses. But as a vendor,, you can also get in early,, see other dealers, and see if they happen to have something "good" for yourself. And if you happen to have a good spot,, you may well pick up a good walk in deal as well.
But I also see vendors selling stuff at prices well above local gun shop prices. I just smile & walk on by. Often,, they are their own worst enemy.

But lets look at things from a different angle.

If we all stopped going to gun shows,, what will happen then? They stop having them. Then the anti-gunners win. They will have eliminated another source of guns & their related goodies. And we'll be another step closer to LOSING our rights.

What can we do?

LET THE PROMOTERS KNOW HOW YOU FEEL. COMPLAIN ABOUT THE FLEA MARKET STUFF. Once we get a lot of that gone,,it'll be an actual gun show.
Next,, strike up a POLITE conversation with a single vendor who has stuff well above retail. Casual, polite,, & share your local pricing of items,, by referencing places they can go & see the stuff for sale at lower prices. Ask them if they really sell enough stuff at their price point to be competitive with local shops? Ask THEM what will they do if gun shows were stopped? You might pizz some of them off,,, but in reality,,, if they are smart,, they will eventually reflect upon your polite wisdom,,, and MAYBE realize they are not too fair in their business model. Maybe not,, but it can't hurt to try.

There is a member here,, whom I visited with at this past weekend show. He's smart enough to price stuff FAIRLY,, and when I first went by his table,, he was in the process of selling a gun. When I came back by,, he had a few moments,, and then his son came over with another gun sale for him to do. He was selling stuff,, AND staying busy enough to where it was likely a good show for him.

We all can complain & refuse to go to them or whatever. But I do enjoy looking at stuff,, being around a lot of like minded folks,, and seeking out those little jewels that enhance our desires.

I guess we can all mow grass,,, or do yard work, or work on the wife's "honey-do" list if we don't have any gun shows.
 

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Tyrone, I agree with your feelings in part on gunshows disappearing but it's worth noting that the local gun stores (LGS) suffer when shows dominate the month here as there's just about always one within driving distance every weekend. I suspect this is true for many or most large metro areas in close proximity to each other.

The truth be told given a choice I'd rather see the LGS survive who are heavily invested in their location and are always there for us than the big time promoters who cover vast areas of the southern states. Since promoters have thinned out interesting content to make going a waste of time for me, I think it would behoove them to read the tea leaves and scale the shows down to keep the show content limited to the core interests of firearm enthusiasts.

As far as weekend activity goes, this past year I've started a one day per month drive up the coast (once to the north, once to the south) to visit the LGS along the way and found more of what I've been looking for, and much of what I was not looking for, maybe too much of both! :)

The honey do list can always wait for another day :)
 

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Gun shows stopped being an enjoyable experience for me back around 15 years ago, and I could count on one hand the number I've been to since...And those were all just a waste of time, and the price of admission.
Around here, they mostly morphed into glorified flea markets, with a few firearms display tables scattered about. And, being run by a bunch of price gouging jackasses...Who all of course, suffered under the delusion that everything they had to offer was "rare" &/or special! No thanks...🙄
I think they believe it is RARE because it is the only one with that serial number even though there are 1000's of that model out there but none with that ser. #. Try to sell them the same model and configuration hand gun to them and see what they offer.
 
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I've heard of anti gun people loading guns and putting them back on the tables. Maybe (hopefully) just an urban legend. I don't even like being in busy gun shops.
Don't know how that would be possible as shows here require guns to be zip tied.
What's wrong with a busy gun shop?
 

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I am planning on going to a gun show next month. I have not been to one in 20 years. I am sure I won't buy much with this economy. From what I have seen at gunshops the only prices that are down are what they will offer you for a gun. I know a guy that took a German Luger in, and the shop offered him $500. Just out of curiosity I called and asked them what they could get me a Luger for if they could locate one and they said $2500 to $3000. They also had a used Marlin 444 lever action (nothing special about it) and they had it priced at $1699. It would be almost $2000 with tax.
 

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Don't know how that would be possible as shows here require guns to be zip tied.
What's wrong with a busy gun shop?
Actually it has happened many years ago here in Florida. An exhibitor shot his grandson at point blank range.
 
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Actually it has happened many years ago here in Florida. An exhibitor shot his grandson at point blank range.
I should have specified "currently".
There have been incidents where vendors had their carry gun "go off" under various circumstances. The shows I attend require all firearms to be zip tied so no ammo can be loaded. This includes carry guns.
 
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I should have specified "currently".
There have been incidents where vendors had their carry gun "go off" under various circumstances. The shows I attend require all firearms to be zip tied so no ammo can be loaded. This includes carry guns.
Shows in Utah are the same way. Every gun gets inspected, cleared, and disabled (usually with a zip tie).
 
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I was talking to my gunsmith last week. Not only does he make various black guns, but he also buys and sells used guns, C&R, and Antiques. He was actually lamenting the fact that one of the big pawn companies in Utah started bringing all of their guns to the shows and selling them too cheap for him to compete.

Since rebuilding his website a couple of months ago, he and his staff have not had the time to get any of the 100's of used guns he has online. I told him that I would start coming in once or twice a week to work on getting them uploaded, starting with the most desirable. If he has any Ruger's I will be sure to share them.
 

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"Since promoters have thinned out interesting content to make going a waste of time for me, I think it would behoove them to read the tea leaves and scale the shows down to keep the show content limited to the core interests of firearm enthusiasts."

I fully agree with that comment.

That's why as an attendee,, if we let the promoters know how we feel,, it could be a start. I tried talking to a promoter at a show a few years ago,, and I had a copy of the OGCA's rules for displays & sellers in hand. He didn't want to consider what I said at all. But staying calm & POLITE,, I told him of all the people who do NOT attend shows for that very reason.

And I will also add that it used to be that many people who had time & the occasional stuff to sell or trade would get a table. But the way the media, and others have been attacking us with the "gun show loophole" attitude,, many casual vendors stopped buying a table or two to do their trading.

I, like so many others,, prefer to attend a smaller gun show that has guns & related stuff,,,, than a 500 table show that has a lot of flea market junk.

But one thing we as attendees often overlook is the available places to have gun shows. Places where there is enough space to put on a show,, with good parking, and in an area people don't mind going to. And those places cost money for their upkeep. And the owners of them do charge a lot.

In short,, there isn't an easy answer.
 

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Another plug for the Ohio Gun Collectors Assoc. (OGCA). I've been a member there for 25 years or so. Because it's a private gun show with members and guests only. They control who can come in and what's on the tables. They have been around for a long long time and I don't see them going any where soon.

I use to go to the Medina gun show years ago and it was a nice show. Lot of tables full of gun related items and no crafty stuff. I haven't been there in several years but I've heard it hasn't changed much. An $8.00 entry fee seems very reasonable to me.
 
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