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TruthNotRelative

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I'm curious about the grip angle on the Glock (pick one, 19 whatever). I'm so used to my P's etc., and the Glock's seem to be more angled, is this a weird or difficult transition? Yes, I know I know, go handle a few.. and I will when I get a chance. In the meantime, how is it for you Glock owners?
 

leejack

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Just an observation: I don't own a glock, however the first time I shot one at the range, I thought the angle was very strange.

I'm not knocking them, but it jumped out at me immediately. :D

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revhigh

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Grip angle never meant much to me ... grip SIZE does. I shoot Glocks, Sigs, CZ's, 1911's, Ruger SA's, DA's, and many others. I just adapt to the grip of the gun I'm shooting.

You can't really tell what gun's grips you'll end up liking without actually firing the guns. You may be able to tell if a grip is too big or too small by handling a gun in a gunshop, but you need to FIRE a gun to know how it will work in your hand(s).

If you're considering a Glock, I'd try to rent one and put at least 100 rounds downrange to see if it will or won't work for you. Renting a gun should be a piece of cake, as they're very popular, and try to try out a Gen 3 Glock with the finger grooves. They're actually very nice.

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bub

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TNR, I have a Glock 21 that I carry for a duty gun. I bought it new in the fall of '92 and have carried it ever since. Prior to that, my duty gun was a Sig 226.

I find, for me, that there is quite a bit of difference in the grip angles of various guns vs. the Glock. Since I shoot the Glock and SP101 the most (I choke up on the SP quite a bit, so I find grip angles similar, especially for close work), I find that, when shooting something else, for example my P89, it takes some time to readjust. If I just pick up my P89 and point like I'm going to point shoot, the P89 points REAL LOW! A mag or two takes care of it, however. I've just shot and trained with the G21 so much that I suppose my "muscle memory" has been programmed for the G21. For me, it points naturally and shoots REAL WELL!

Bottom line, like revhigh said, is to go shoot one if you can. That's the only way to tell if it is going to work for you, personally.

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onesureshot

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There is supposedly a new style Glock frame coming out in 2010, with interchangeable back straps like the S&W M&P series. If you can hold out for a bit, you might get a better fit / feel with the new versions.
 

revhigh

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If you're so close to your attacker that you're just point-shooting, any slight variance in POI due to the grip will certainly be irrelevant. If you're using the sights, then the only thing that will matter will be the sight picture, which is totally independent of the grip. The bottom line is that if you have the correct sight picture when the round goes off, you will hit the target, whether the grip you're using is high, low, or two fingered, or it's dangling from your thumb.

Myself, I really DON'T LIKE the grip angle or feel of the Ruger Single Action revolvers, ANY SA revolver for that matter. I own two, and just plain don't like them compared to DA revolvers. That said, I have no issue shooting them accurately, the same as all my other guns.

None of the grip angles of autos have the extreme difference that the SA vs DA revolvers have.

It's very easy to go to the range, shoot a mag out of your buddy's gun, and instantly say, 'I didn't shoot as well with his Glock, CZ, Sig, whatever, as I did with my whatever'. This is truly not giving the gun you were trying out a chance. When I shot and reviewed the SR9, I borrowed a friend's gun and shot close to 100 rounds out of it before I stated my opinions.

Basically what I'm saying is that you need to do a LOT more than handle a gun in a store or blow through a mag in your friend's gun to make an intelligent decision on a gun. Think of how many times you've bought a new gun, and it took 4 or 5 mags worth to learn how to shoot it well.

With all the millions of Glocks sold each year, their grip cannot be as 'difficult' as many glock-haters state. If you can't make a Glock work for you, I'd think it's more because you don't WANT it to work for you, rather than that it WON'T work for you after a little serious and dedicated practice. That goes for ANY gun, not just Glocks.

I've found a few guns with grips I didn't care for, mostly SA revolvers, but it never stopped me from shooting them well. The same goes for autos. I've heard people say 'I can't shoot 1911's well'. Well, if you can't shoot a good 1911 well, you'd better give up shooting, because there is no other gun on the earth that's easier to shoot well than a quality 1911.

Shooting a gun well and being proficient at it is far more a result of practice, than initial impression of whether the gun's 'grip angle' is acceptable to you. Guns don't 'shoot low or high' because of grip. If a gun doesn't shoot to POA, then you're either using an incorrect sight picture, or the sights need adjustment. If a supposedly 'properly sighted in' gun doesn't hit POA, then it's not sighted in ... period. I've actually had people who thought they knew all about guns, say ... sight picture ??? what do you mean by that ??? Geesh ....

Pick a few guns that you like and that have the features and capacity you need, shoot them a good amount if you can, buy the gun, and then learn to shoot it and be proficient at it.

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To me, HOW a gun feels, grips in your hand, and shoots FOR you, is almost everything. Functionality is the defining factor though.

I cant stand how the Glocks feel when I hold/shoot them. That said, I AM accurate with them. They function, period. I'm about to come to a decision on a gun to replace my 17/23. Will post more later.
 

revhigh

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Geez DA, if you can't stand how Glocks feel, I sure as hell wouldn't buy another one LOL. I'm sure not buying any more SA revolvers !! The only reason you're accurate with them is because you're using the correct sight picture when the gun goes off. That, and the fact that Glocks are above average in accuracy in my experience.

Have you tried a CZ 75 yet ? They are ergonomic perfection in 9MM's, much the way 1911's are ergonomic perfection for 45's.

I guess you're looking for smaller if you don't like the 17/23, so probably the 19/26, right ? I have a 26, and carried it full time till I got my KT380, now the 26 just seems too big and heavy. I'll never sell it though, because of it's reliabillity. I also have a 20 ... just to try out the caliber (10MM).

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jhstancil

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To me, the Glock has a grip that takes some getting use to. I added extended slide and mag releases on my full size 22 to help with my short thumb during a match. On my 23 I left everything stock and just added Tru-Glow night sights on it. I also have found I have a tendency to push shots left of center on the Glock because of my grip on the gun.

I held off on the Glocks for a long time befor buying one. I took notice of all the Glock shooters at IDPA matches I had to try one. I will give it to Glock….they do what they do with little or no problems. I have yet to see one so dirty from shooting they fail. With all the aftermarket items out there you can customize it to no end. I have experimented with the Lone wolf adjustable trigger stop and various trigger spring and connector setups and they all have their good and bad.

My suggestion on a Glock would be a compact version….19 or 23 maybe. They shoot at all distances as good as the full size counterpart and mine seems to fit my hand better than the full size.

Since this is a Ruger forum I will say I love my SR9. It fits my hand much better than the Glock and under stress I believe I am more accurate with the SR9. It has a low slim fit in the web of my hand that goes a long way at reducing the felt recoil and I can get the sites back on target quicker. Even with the stronger trigger pull of the SR9 I don't notice it during a match. I also like the ambidextrous mag release on the SR9 since I am a right handed second finger mag release shooter. The Glock mag release is not ambidextrous in it's standard configuration.

I love them all….so lets talk about Sig now……;^)
 

TruthNotRelative

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"A new Glock frame for 2010? With an interchangeable backstrap? Of course they wouldn't copy the SR9! (I know Ruger didn't invent it. But they sure must have made it an issue."

Glock has had their thing goin' for a LOOONG time, if they are contemplating the above it has nothing to do with Ruger, I have little doubt about that.

Having said that, after all these years I would be surprised if Glock did employ an interchangable backstrap JMHO.
 

3leggeddog

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TruthNotRelative said:
The M&P is more established (understatement) than the SR9, I'd be more inclined to believe they would "Copy" it.[/quote

I seen a BIG list of different le departments that have switch over to M+P... Reason given was the 3 different back straps that the M+P comes with ! The list was posted in another forum.
 

jhstancil

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If Glock introduces a adjustable grip like the Springfield XD, SIG, M&P or any host of others they will guarantee a glut of cheap used Glocks on the market. Nobody will want the Gen 3 version any more. Also….you can believe the price increase on the new model will be there too……on a already overpriced gun.
 

revhigh

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jhstancil":vttqtda1 said:
If Glock introduces a adjustable grip like the Springfield XD, SIG, M&P or any host of others they will guarantee a glut of cheap used Glocks on the market.

Doubtful ... not only have Glock owners been buying Gen 1 and Gen 2 guns for pretty much what the owners paid for them new, but current Glock owners have been using their tried and true pistols for years, and although they may purchase a new Glock with the interchangeable backstraps, if in fact they ever exist, it's unlikely that they'll all be 'trading them in'. Most will be adding the new one to their collection. Even if they do trade them in, it's highly unlikely that the prices will fall from where they are right now. Used (private, non-LE) Glocks of any generation are $400-425 in the marketplace. It's doubtful that will change. Used Glocks are like Toyota used cars, they hold their value like a rock. If anybody plans on waiting for cheaper used Glocks than $400, I hope they're really patient.

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rcriss113

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I have an M&P 9MM and i use a Glock 17 9MM for work.  I have to say that i really like them both and i am accurate with both of them.  As far as the grip on the Glock i have personally have not had any issues with it.  We have had some people that have smaller hands have issues at first eith them but htey have adapted to them and shoot very well with the Glock.  Personally i am getting reasy to go buy a glock 19, with the Glock you have the realibility and functionality that you will get with a weapon that many many law enforcement agencies throughout the country have adopted for their duty gun.  the angle is different but as far as i am concerned easily adapted to.
 

revhigh

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Exactly rcriss ... as I said ... we are humans ... humans can easily ADAPT. Anybody who can't shoot a Glock well, doesn't WANT to shoot a Glock well.

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revhigh

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DA_TriggR4Ruger":9ffckscc said:
Another +1. The G26 I had /w night sights was only $450.00 or $475.00 NEW, I cant remember.

I got my G26 brand new for $419 after the $100 Cabelas dollar off coupon. I guess nobody has heard me say that before :D . It's VERY difficult to find a used Glock in decent condition with box and papers for less than $425. Doesn't matter what caliber or size. The 20's go for more and of course the compensated or long slide versions as well.

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