I am lucky my wife and my views on that matter is the same we voted for trump because he a great business person he will take of our money . My youngest girl she is on broad also , now my oldest son we don't say much on it I really don't know his views on it but we never discuss it we are very close.
Even more of a black sheep in my own family
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Vito,
I too am sorry for how your family has their rose colored glasses on apparently. How is it with 3 branches of federal Government and 50 States with their own State governments can everything but cow farts destroying the ozone be President Donald J. Trump (Adolf Hitler "Time Magazine's MAN OF THE YEAR) fault.
Everyday I look forward to hearing what they blame President Trump for next. Because we all know EVERYTHING is his fault because the folks who have been in office for the last 40 years have done nothing but work hard for the people of the United States. Worked hard at lining their pockets at the very least.
Stand tough Vito, we all know the blame game is going to only get worse.
I too am sorry for how your family has their rose colored glasses on apparently. How is it with 3 branches of federal Government and 50 States with their own State governments can everything but cow farts destroying the ozone be President Donald J. Trump (Adolf Hitler "Time Magazine's MAN OF THE YEAR) fault.
Everyday I look forward to hearing what they blame President Trump for next. Because we all know EVERYTHING is his fault because the folks who have been in office for the last 40 years have done nothing but work hard for the people of the United States. Worked hard at lining their pockets at the very least.
Stand tough Vito, we all know the blame game is going to only get worse.
It is called Trump Derangement Syndrome aka TDS. My wife and her older sister (who wanted to be a hippie but didn't have the guts to move to Height Ashberry in the 1960s) believes every word they hear from the nightly news NBC CBS ABC MSNBC etc. During the last 4 years I have not heard one positive comment about Trump.
So, your family believes in murdering your grandchildren/their children if it is inconvenient for them. Archeologists have excavated the toilets associated with Roman brothels, they find a preponderance of human baby bones, we all are aware of what happened to Rome. It is moral decay, promoted by the left wing Major Nightly News Outlets. The tragedy is that a large portion of the US female population and some of the males too believe every word of their effluent.
crstrode
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My brother-in-law, born and raised in Los Angeles, moved to Spokane Washington about 30 years ago. He moved to escape the "whackos" in LA.
He then moved from Spokane to Seattle, to escape the "bumpkins and whackos" in Spokane.
He then moved from Seattle, back to Spokane Washington, again, to escape the "whackos".
On his last visit to his sister, (my wife) he stated that he could never vote for Trump because he was intolerant.
I commented that he had lived in Seattle too long.
As a result, he now considers me the Devil incarnate, and vowed to kill me if he ever sees me again.
He then moved from Spokane to Seattle, to escape the "bumpkins and whackos" in Spokane.
He then moved from Seattle, back to Spokane Washington, again, to escape the "whackos".
On his last visit to his sister, (my wife) he stated that he could never vote for Trump because he was intolerant.
I commented that he had lived in Seattle too long.
As a result, he now considers me the Devil incarnate, and vowed to kill me if he ever sees me again.
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This.
I am not afraid to say my piece. Everybody else can deal with it just like I deal with theirs.
I hate that @vito is having to deal with this. Adults should know how to handle conflict and unfortunately these days that is not a common quality.
Yaworski
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A classic demonstration of liberal tolerance.
Vito, I know how you feel and am the same boat. I remember what my Mom said years ago, don't talk about politics or religion.
OMCHamlin
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I have functionally disowned and disavowed my two ultra liberal sisters and their family. I am an only child. "Family" does not mean all the squishy, feel good crap that people attach to it...
Well after 52-53 years my wife's elder sister still supports the Socialist Agenda (proud of the fact she voted for George McGovern) unfortunately it rubs off on my Wife. According to them, I am a Fascist.
coachk64
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IMHO, the main reason that there is so much divisiveness in the country today, on both sides of the political aisle, is that we have been so focused for the past couple of decades on celebrating our differences, that it is difficult or impossible to acknowledge those things that we all share. It has become so important to "be different" that I believe people are looking for reasons to separate themselves from their acquaintances. Not saying that everyone should conform, just be your damn self and enjoy both what makes you different from and what makes you alike other people in your life. Instead of celebrating the differences, I just try to tolerate and accept those that are different (although I still struggle with the bathroom issue, especially now that I have a young granddaughter).
On this forum, we share an interest is shooting sports, and are focused on a single manufacturer, so it is easy for us to have congenial and polite interactions on that subject. And it is likely that the conservatives out-number the liberals on this type of forum, but as I type this I'm sure that there are some members of the forum that completely disagree with the Trump supporters, and believe that they have been brain-washed by their media. They are mostly keeping quiet here I'm sure because they know they are in the minority.
While I voted for Trump, there are many aspects of his character and past actions that I don't care for at all. Frankly, the fact that he had Vance on his ticket made me feel better about my choice, although I would have voted against Harris no matter who Trump's running mate was. While I have long since stopped believing anything that comes out of any candidate's mouth, there is no doubt in my mind that Trump's agenda and intentions are better for the country as a whole than anything that Harris might have been planning.
And while many members of my family detest Trump, they weren't big supporters of Harris either. This was just another election where the least objectionable candidate won. I am in a job where I often interact with some of our business partners from other parts of the world, and although political discussions are avoided, I definitely get the sense that they are mostly bewildered that we let these types of candidates rise to the top of our political system. I'm fortunate that nobody in my family is passionate enough about politics that we have let that drive a wedge between us.
On this forum, we share an interest is shooting sports, and are focused on a single manufacturer, so it is easy for us to have congenial and polite interactions on that subject. And it is likely that the conservatives out-number the liberals on this type of forum, but as I type this I'm sure that there are some members of the forum that completely disagree with the Trump supporters, and believe that they have been brain-washed by their media. They are mostly keeping quiet here I'm sure because they know they are in the minority.
While I voted for Trump, there are many aspects of his character and past actions that I don't care for at all. Frankly, the fact that he had Vance on his ticket made me feel better about my choice, although I would have voted against Harris no matter who Trump's running mate was. While I have long since stopped believing anything that comes out of any candidate's mouth, there is no doubt in my mind that Trump's agenda and intentions are better for the country as a whole than anything that Harris might have been planning.
And while many members of my family detest Trump, they weren't big supporters of Harris either. This was just another election where the least objectionable candidate won. I am in a job where I often interact with some of our business partners from other parts of the world, and although political discussions are avoided, I definitely get the sense that they are mostly bewildered that we let these types of candidates rise to the top of our political system. I'm fortunate that nobody in my family is passionate enough about politics that we have let that drive a wedge between us.
Yaworski
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I wonder the same thing about other countries. Honestly, I wonder that about our people too.
I am baffled by a system in which we have people charged with running the country but have never done anything but either work for an elected official or be an elected official. It also bothers me that the vast majority of people in the congress are lawyers and lack even a basic understanding of science or technology.
Don't change. If your family cannot see that you are the same person you've always been, despite who you support, then nothing will ever change their minds. The reason this is the most divisive we've ever been (at lease since the Civil War) is because there has been a full on press by the media/corporate/etc. This is planned. I know that President Trump and his team are
on our side. That's all I need to know.
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I don't have a lot of friends, between those that have passed and liberals, not necessarily because I push them away, maybe they avoid me, I don't know. Between my sibling and spouse and my wife's there is one husband who is an absolutely obnoxious liberal but when I respond back he decides we shouldn't take it any further.
My friends seem to have the same beliefs and values that I share. My son for whatever reason married a liberal and if it takes not bringing up politics to see my grand children so be it, and she avoids it also. Which I appreciate. So things stay relatively civil.
I can't even imagine being in Vito's position,
Apparently I'm different from many, politics and my faith are a large part of my values. If someone has a problem with either or both, well we have a lot less to talk about.
My friends seem to have the same beliefs and values that I share. My son for whatever reason married a liberal and if it takes not bringing up politics to see my grand children so be it, and she avoids it also. Which I appreciate. So things stay relatively civil.
I can't even imagine being in Vito's position,
Apparently I'm different from many, politics and my faith are a large part of my values. If someone has a problem with either or both, well we have a lot less to talk about.
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I am appalled with the number of forum members who seem to be intelligent, who enjoy the Trump Derangement Syndrome. Did they enjoy the economy tanking under Obama and Biden, and with his arming Al-Queda in Syria against Assad. Obama was in the background (the shadow president) of the Biden Administration. O'Biden even admitted, on the air once, that he talked daily with Obama. Obama is the only former president who bought a home a few blocks from the White House.
Like Bear Paw Jack, my circle of friends is relatively small. In my case a lot of it is due to my age many of my friends have passed. Some of my friends that feel differently than me will start to make comments just assuming that I'm on the same team as them. I usually just make a comment back to them, not being confrontational, but just enough to give them the idea that we don't agree. That usually does the trick and they cease to make comments about politics after that.
Fortunately, my close family is on the same side of the isle as I am, maybe not to the same degree, but enough that politics can be discussed civilly.
As for friends, only have one on the other side, and we both chose to avoid politics and so maintain our friendship.
Outside of that one friend, I keep to friends on the same side of the political isle as myself; makes life and conversation a lot easier....
As for friends, only have one on the other side, and we both chose to avoid politics and so maintain our friendship.
Outside of that one friend, I keep to friends on the same side of the political isle as myself; makes life and conversation a lot easier....
protoolman
Service-Sixer
What really bugs me is people who say don't discuss politics or religion. Same people who let the trans and gays do drag shows to attack our youth. You're either with us or against us. I have a liberal son in law. Nice guy but I require him to debate me and show facts. I think he actually becomes a little more conservative every time we debate. Keep the faith vito! Tough your wife's not at least on board.
