Euthenasia If Necessary For Me!

[Conservative]

If one is discovered to be terminal accompanied with intractable pain, with absolute certainty one is going to die, with utterly zero chance of regaining health, why not be euthanized if you so choose?

We do it for our suffering, terminal pets so why not ourselves?

Of course, I'm not a religious believer so I don't have that to consider.

My thoughts: Once dead, you go back to where you came from, in other words completely utterly non-existent.

What say you?

 

[Goldstar225]

I have long felt that a person who has a terminal, painful condition with little to no quality of life who choses to end their suffering should be allowed to do so. Not only allowed but aided through the use of drugs which ease their departure without further suffering.

 

[gunzo]

I've told my wife a few times that when I get to a certain condition, to please take me to the Vet & have me put down.

 

[ronto]

Suicide is against my religious beliefs. However, my living will instructs my executor not to keep me alive using life support procedures when my condition is medically hopeless thus letting me die a natural death. I have no issue with using pain relieving medications on my way out.

 

[graygun]

I think it should be allowed,even though I believe in God.

 

[Bob Wright]

The taking of a human life, without due process of law, or conditions of war or self defense, is murder, pure and simple. Euthanasia, like abortion, is the taking of an innocent life.

I have a firm belief in Scriptures and in the God who wrote them, and as He has said, "It is appointed to men once to die....." and He has set that time, and I'll not interfere with that schedule.

My prayer should always be "Thy will be done.........."


Bob Wright

 

[BearBio]

The taking of a human life, without due process of law, or conditions of war or self defense, is murder, pure and simple. Euthanasia, like abortion, is the taking of an innocent life.

I have a firm belief in Scriptures and in the God who wrote them, and as He has said, "It is appointed to men once to die....." and He has set that time, and I'll not interfere with that schedule.

My prayer should always be "Thy will be done.........."


Bob Wright

Too many fallacies in your thinking to go into.

 

[Conservative]

Bob Wright,

I think you're one of the good guys on this board.

So, that being said, if one is in agonizing, intractable pain, with no hope of recovery, with months still to go, do you think it God's plan, because he has decided you need this pain in your march to death?

Let's throw in you can't eat without having someone spoon feed you, wash yourself, wipe your bum, etc. which in it's own right enters into it's own realm of intractable indignity is something you'd allow, when said patient begs for a merciful death?

But, hey God says it's murder?

Honestly?

Sounds rather Middle Eastern/Middle Age or is dogma preferable...?

Hey, he/she's gonna eventually die, so what if they're in agony during their waiting period, probably did something to deserve it anyway...

Is that what you think?

Sorry, but that sounds monstrous to me.

I have had to put down (with a quick painless injection from a vet) animals I love so dearly my eyes well up as I type this. They were in agony. Nothing I could do to help. No amount of loving/petting/soothing words helped.

I wouldn't wish the ignoring of this kind of pain when the inevitable is on the way, but agony is right now and won't simply go away....

 

[wwb]

.... Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion .....

In other words, in this great nation we are free to worship in whatever manner we choose..... Christian, Judaism, Buddhist, Muslim, Hindu...... or none. Bob seems like the truly upstanding fellow I'd like to call a friend; but with all due respect to him and his views on the subject, I fall into the "none" category, and would gladly choose euthanasia.

Illegal in my state, however, so it may be a .357 to the temple instead. What are they gonna do about it? Put me in jail?

 

[JPGLSG]

If you do believe in God and if you remember he was crucified and died for our sins. He must have suffered a horrible death with all sort of pain and agony. Who are we to say, oh well, just send me on my way and let me forgo all the suffering I may have to endure before I leave this life. But this, as Bob says, is only for the believers not the nons, "too many fallacies", "sounds rather Middle Eastern/Middle Age or is dogma preferable". If we thought about the Constitution like that we'd be living in a different world.

 

[nvbirdman]

I think Dr. Kervorkian had the right idea.

 

[Pierow]

Suicide is against my religious beliefs. However, my living will instructs my executor not to keep me alive using life support procedures when my condition is medically hopeless thus letting me die a natural death. I have no issue with using pain relieving medications on my way out.

Good on you for having the proper documents. Many don't realize that without those documents, you leave a loved one in a lurch trying to guess what the afflicted would want. Terrible thing especially for children to have to decide pulling the plug or not for mom or dad simply because they didn't do the proper planning. Terrible for them to have to go through "living probate" and involve the courts for such a sensitive decision.

Recall the Terry Schiavo incident. She was in an irreversible vegetative state for 15 years before her case was settled. I often thought what was or was not going through her mind at the time. Could she feel pain and suffering? Terrible to think she might have.

If your wish is to never be taken off life support, to die naturally no matter what the cost, pain or suffering or to have the plug pulled, it's just a wish in a wishing well unless you do the proper planning.

Regarding the op's question, "My thoughts: Once dead, you go back to where you came from, in other words completely utterly non-existent.

What say you?"

Man, you hit on one of my worst fears as a child. You die and then nothing. I certainly hope not Conservative. Not wanting to bring religion into the lounge, I struggle daily to be on the right side of things knowing I can always do better.

Pierow

 

[Bob Wright]

I think maybe some misunderstood me ~ the process of dying, that is, withholding extraordinary life preserving measures as opposed to lethal injections is what I refer to. Certainly it is inhumane to allow untreated suffering.

Removing life support versus lethal injection, two different things.

Bob Wright

 

[Conservative]

Bob Wright,

"Removing life support versus lethal injection, two different things."

Forgive me, I don't mean to be to be a pain in your backside, but for discussion sake, the above statement sounds rather...lawyerly.

My wife and I just had our wills redone. No intubation or heroics when we're about to croak. None of us are getting out of this world alive...so hanging on by our fingernails because medical technology allows such, is, in my opinion kinda silly and frankly wasteful. Medical folks need to spend time with those hey can help survive. If it's your time, die with dignity.

If however, as mentioned, you hang on, but are in insufferable pain even with the help of drug palliatives, but have to suffer being spoon fed, bathed, bottom wiped, etc. man I don't want to cling to life that badly. Let me go. Give that hot shot.

Is that murder if the patient desires it? No, it is not. It's a letting go now. The inevitable is definitely coming, by with much pain and indignity...that's better? For who? The church? No, not for me.

Paging Dr. Kevorkian...

 

[Pat-inCO]

How many people (thousands? hundreds of thousands? millions?) have
been killed "in the name of God"?

As far as any of us can tell, it started a whole lot more than 2,000 years
ago, and has not ceased since.

You were saying?

 

[ChiefMuzz]

Bob Wright,

"Removing life support versus lethal injection, two different things."

Forgive me, I don't mean to be to be a pain in your backside, but for discussion sake, the above statement sounds rather...lawyerly.

My wife and I just had our wills redone. No intubation or heroics when we're about to croak. None of us are getting out of this world alive...so hanging on by our fingernails because medical technology allows such, is, in my opinion kinda silly and frankly wasteful. Medical folks need to spend time with those hey can help survive. If it's your time, die with dignity.

If however, as mentioned, you hang on, but are in insufferable pain even with the help of drug palliatives, but have to suffer being spoon fed, bathed, bottom wiped, etc. man I don't want to cling to life that badly. Let me go. Give that hot shot.

Is that murder if the patient desires it? No, it is not. It's a letting go now. The inevitable is definitely coming, by with much pain and indignity...that's better? For who? The church? No, not for me.

Paging Dr. Kevorkian...

No offense, but there are few types of pain that cannot be managed without appropriate medications. In an end of life situation, CMO or comfort measures only, is the appropriate type of care for someone who does not want ongoing medical intervention, but merely to pass in peace. That can include withdrawing feeding and fluid support. I can not think of a situation where you would be required to choose to live your life for a determinate amount of time in irretractable pain, or to end your own life. Simply put, I don't think your scenario is a realistic one.

 

[JFB]

... being spoon fed, bathed, bottom wiped, etc. man I don't want to cling to life that badly. Let me go. Give that hot shot...

I've been doing that for the Wife for years now.

 

[bogus bill]

I was raised and am a christian. I was home tending my dad who was in the middle of Alzheimer when we watched people jumping to their death off the twin towers on 9-11.
Dad shook his head and said they were jumping to hell as he strongly believed you commit suicide you go to hell. That is the one time I can remember having a strong argument with him. Basically, as I said, I don't believe in suicide BUT in the extreme case of being toasted I suppose no one in the world wouldn't jump from fire. How many people could slap their hand on a red hot stove and keep it there while it fry`s?
Ironic, but do we believe that jumping to your death to get away from frying, that you are jumping into hell where the fire is worse and unending? I don't think that argument holds water and had my dad been in his right mind I think he would have thought like me. That is the most extreme case any of us could imagine but there has to be just a little common sense involved on such a question as that.

 

[Conservative]

I guess what I'm saying is if I absolutely knew it was my time, give me the shot.

Some, believe in God and this or that, I don't, but if you've seen, piles of dead, you won't, because on the earth, dead people witnessed in droves, kinda make your Christian beliefs go down the toilet...

All the happy, philosophical blather go laughingly away once you seen armmegeddon.

 

[CGDustDevil]

I think Dr. Kervorkian had the right idea.

No matter how it's done, the universal problem with euthanasia is that the act involves at least one other party along with the government, which we understand to exist for the express purpose of securing the blessings of liberty. (Which include life and property!)

As Bob Wright correctly supposes, the taking of life is repugnant to our Creator, as well as to anyone who accepts the scriptures as the top tier of fundamental law.

Intellectually speaking, I personally favor the notion of providing relief to those who are suffering with no hope for a return to health and some reasonable quality of life. But, spiritually and legally, I can see no way to accomplish the act of euthanasia without committing, or being a party to committing an act of killing. And certainly I can think of no way to prevent abuse which would surely result from acceptance by society. (All members of which would necessarily be Parties to the act) Whether we provide (or facilitate) the means & method for an individual to do it themselves, or whether we do the actual work ourselves on behalf of someone else, the fact remains that it makes us a party to the taking of a life. It just cannot be any other way.

I cannot resolve the act on a religious basis since life IS God's greatest gift to the faithful. And the only way to resolve it on a societal basis is for society at large (including government) to accept (as direct or indirect parties) our collective roles in the taking of SOME lives while preserving others.

The notion is also rife with hypocrisy & the potential for abuse. Some societies with socialized medical care are already providing incentives to the terminally ill to end their lives. It's a bloody steep slope of polished glass. Once that door is kicked open, we will see no end of it. We MUST hold something sacred. If not life, then what?

Regards, Pete