Education

[Bob Wright]

Last Sunday, being Mothers Day, a young man I had not seen in a long time showed up. He was there in honor of his grandmother and great grandmother. He told me he had just graduated, this from high school.

Now this young man had been one of my close youngsters several years ago. When he was very young he had a brain tumor and resulting surgery has left him with noticible scars in his hair line. And he had a pretty tough time as it was sort of touch-and-go for awhile. And, somehow he sort of developed a closeness to me.

So, I asked him what was next, and his reply was, "Get a job and go to work." No indication of any further schooling. Now I know first hand the pain of lack of schooling, as my own is very skimpy. And I advised him to get some kind of further educaton, no matter how slight.

True, men are needed who work at non-professional occupations, and these are honest, honorable and well paying occupations. But education develops the whole personality, makes a man a more rounded person, and gives him greater confidence in life. Sure wish I had followed my own advice way back then. But fortunately for me, a high school dipoma took one farther than it does now.

Bob Wright

 

[JackBull]

Last Sunday, being Mothers Day, a young man I had not seen in a long time showed up. He was there in honor of his grandmother and great grandmother. He told me he had just graduated, this from high school.

Now this young man had been one of my close youngsters several years ago. When he was very young he had a brain tumor and resulting surgery has left him with noticible scars in his hair line. And he had a pretty tough time as it was sort of touch-and-go for awhile. And, somehow he sort of developed a closeness to me.

So, I asked him what was next, and his reply was, "Get a job and go to work." No indication of any further schooling. Now I know first hand the pain of lack of schooling, as my own is very skimpy. And I advised him to get some kind of further educaton, no matter how slight.

True, men are needed who work at non-professional occupations, and these are honest, honorable and well paying occupations. But education develops the whole personality, makes a man a more rounded person, and gives him greater confidence in life. Sure wish I had followed my own advice way back then. But fortunately for me, a high school dipoma took one farther than it does now.

Bob Wright

Hmmmm. In college he will be introduced to communism, anti-white, anti-Christian, anti-male doctrine plus a healthy does of sexual perversion including @nal sex and f!sting taught in mandatory classes.

 

[Kevin]

Good for you Bob. You are correct about needing more education. A university education is nice, but you're also correct. It isn't for everyone. He could also look into a trade school or other specialty school.

 

[woodsy]

Even if one eventually gets a job in something other than what is offered for college grads, the experience and knowledge gained in higher education is well worth it (those four years or so). Just so long as it is NOT art history!!!

 

[Bob Wright]

Hmmmm. In college he will be introduced to communism, anti-white, anti-Christian, anti-male doctrine plus a healthy does of sexual perversion including @nal sex and f!sting taught in mandatory classes.

Well, I will have to differ with you there. Many of my young people are college graduates, others still students, and the colleges these have attended exposed them to none of the practices you mention. Depends upon their choice of college.

One of my Silver Eagle recipients has graduated and is now teaching at a school in Twin Falls, Iowa. Another has graduated from a local secondary college, is a well known chef and has published two books that I know of. Another young man has graduated from Pensacola Christian College, finished med school and is now an intern. One young man wanted to be high lineman (power lines) graduated from high school went to a trade school, apprenticed and is now working at his chosen career. And a young girl, also a Silver Eagle recipient, is on deputation prior to leaving for the mission field.

Not one of these young people were exposed to the doctrines or practices you mention.

Bob Wright

 

[HW11]

I admire him for wanting to work.
My daughter graduated from High school last year. Her mother is a lifelong educator and obviously wanted her to continue her education. We even went and checked out a college and she was given a nice scholarship for volleyball. She is 6 foot + and strong and was a straight A student. When it came college time she said I'm not going. I'm not wasting yalls money or mine right now. If I see where I need it I'll go back to school. Im going to work. Her mama about died. I said I'll support you anyway I can. She should be a model but she tucks all that long hair up under her hat and pulls her shield down and goes to work. She is a welder. You talking about a proud daddy! I still can't stop smiling. I told her again the other day how proud I was of her and her existence doesn't depend on .com this or .com that. She has a skill and doesn't mind getting dirty to make living. I'm sorry I stepped in your post so deep but I get excited when I see a young person that really wants to work.

 

[Bob Wright]

I admire him for wanting to work.
My daughter graduated from High school last year. Her mother is a lifelong educator and obviously wanted her to continue her education. We even went and checked out a college and she was given a nice scholarship for volleyball. She is 6 foot + and strong and was a straight A student. When it came college time she said I'm not going. I'm not wasting yalls money or mine right now. If I see where I need it I'll go back to school. Im going to work. Her mama about died. I said I'll support you anyway I can. She should be a model but she tucks all that long hair up under her hat and pulls her shield down and goes to work. She is a welder. You talking about a proud daddy! I still can't stop smiling. I told her again the other day how proud I was of her and her existence doesn't depend on .com this or .com that. She has a skill and doesn't mind getting dirty to make living. I'm sorry I stepped in your post so deep but I get excited when I see a young person that really wants to work.

My friend, you did not "step on my post." You joined a conversation, in which you are most welcome.

Bob Wright

 

[contender]

It's good to see young people willing to work with the understanding that is what it takes to succeed in life.
College can be either good or bad. It seems the bigger the university,, the worse the social aspects are. Yet, trade schools, or smaller community colleges seem to have fewer issues with the "bad" stuff.
But as noted,, college isn't always the answer.

Support the kids who are willing to do either,, as long as they are doing it for the right reasons.

 

[Watertender]

Last Sunday on Mother's Day I took a young man who I am helping in the skilled trades to a couple of Powerhouses where I work. He is an apprentice plumber and steam fitter who had football scholarships offered but he wanted to learn a trade. We went to breakfast with a master plumber and then went to the Powerhouses. He saw things that he wouldn't get a chance to see otherwise and talked to some people in other trades. Tonight he told me that he passed his 1st year apprenticeship course finals with an 82 and an 83 and got 100% on his practical hands on tests. He is someone to be proud of. I can't do for my own son but can do for others....

 

[Bob Wright]

I am afraid ms have missed my point in this post: I, too, applaud his willingness to work, but it was his aimless attitude which bothered me.

Bob Wright

 

[Wyandot Jim]

Hmmmm. In college he will be introduced to communism, anti-white, anti-Christian, anti-male doctrine plus a healthy does of sexual perversion including @nal sex and f!sting taught in mandatory classes.

Well I have a Son, DIL, Grandson, Granddaughter, and their spouses all went to this little old Texas school called Texas A&M which has none of the bull sh!t you speak of.
My Daughter lives in Helena MT. and has never mentioned any of what you speak of about University of MT. Daughter went to USAF Academy so I don't believe it took place there.
By the way Grandson and Granddaughter graduated in 3 years with business degrees and Summa cum laude.

Me I'm just a dumb ole Red Neck with a 10th grade education that didn't get a piece of paper to tell me what I had to be.
I did get a piece of paper from USAF that stated I had a GED with equivalent of two years of collage.

I guess you could say that A&M is so far right that their cars don't even have left turn signals.

 

[Wyandot Jim]

I am afraid ms have missed my point in this post: I, too, applaud his willingness to work, but it was his aimless attitude which bothered me.

Bob Wright

Bob,
In ways that can be a good thing. He now has the opportunity to work at several jobs to find his path. I'm sure he will have some that are not to his liking.
Did you know what you wanted to do at 17-18?? I did BUT I didn't end up doing it.

I joined the USAF at 17 and I knew I was going to make a career out of it. I soon found out working on other people airplanes on a flight line in all kinds of weather was not fun.
I had 5 jobs before I went to a trade school for Drafting. And the rest is history.

 

[Watertender]

Wyandotte Jim, I can appreciate a good education if it's used properly. In a lot of cases people have a degree that is totally useless. My formal education is limited but I am well educated in my chosen trade. Enough so that I have been asked to teach adult vocational courses, but with my working schedule I can't do it. In the last 15 plus years I have been able to teach and help over 30 people into the skilled trades. I teach others in my sons honor and memory because of his untimely death caused by a texting driver. I can appreciate your education as a draftsman and can draw mechanical plans with a "T" square to this day. When the mechanical drawing teacher died there were several tributes in his honor in his obituary. One of the best was written by a draftsman working for NASA, he said that he has his 9th grade mechanical drawing final exam complete with corrections in red hanging over his drafting table. He said that this exam makes him strive to be a better draftsman and he looks at it daily to remember how he started his life's work.

 

[Gator89]

I am afraid ms have missed my point in this post: I, too, applaud his willingness to work, but it was his aimless attitude which bothered me.

Bob Wright

I was aimless when I graduated high school in 1979. I wasted a year of college. After 5 years of "just working", I went back to college and graduated from the University of Florida with a gold star on my diploma in 1989.

As Yogi Beara said, it ain't over until it is over.

 

[Hvymax]

Mindlessly going to College without a Direction is a waste. Sure you can find a direction while there if you're lucky. When I was 17 along with College I talked with several neighbors who were in the Trades. I started my Apprenticeship when I was 17. Mid 20's I was married with a house. Still married almost 40 years later retired in our second house.

 

[Bob Wright]

One other point I tried to make: An education makes a person, male or female, a more diversified person in their bearing. Not only in the world of business/emloyment, but in social circles as well. There is the ability to carry on a good conversation in well accepted English, or to write without looking like a high school drop out. Being abe to speak in public when necessary. All too often speakers debase themselves at the beginning of their oration by poor grammar and mispronounciation of common words. They often come across as the "Archie Bunkers" of the group.

What I'm trying to say is "Education does not hurt."

Bob Wright

 

[DerekR]

I don't believe there is anything as "too much education". Many that go to college don't work in their field of study,
but the main thing college teaches is how to think critically. Solve problems. Nothing wrong with that.

 

[blume357]

He might not be ready for more education... I know I wasn't right out of high school. I would support him in getting a job but also try to direct him toward a trade of some type which might require more schooling. ....

Most of these highly adjumicated college graduates are totally lost when it comes to the basics in life like plumbing, electricity, carpentry and such.

The good news is they are willing to pay someone to do it for them.

 

[contender]

Bob,, we now understand your thoughts.

You are correct in that additional education is a good thing. But, as pointed out,, many people may not be ready for more schooling if just out of HS. And many may not have a good direction chosen. If so,, going to a college,,, just to go,,, without a good direction can be a waste of time, energy, & money.

I know that I was one of these types that didn't want more school after spending 12 years in school. College wasn't for me at that time. I had actually signed up for the Army with the delayed entry program in March, prior to my graduation from HS. Even though my Dad had asked me prior to that, what I wanted to do in life. He said if I wanted college, he'd pay for it. If I wanted to work, he'd help me get started. But I chose the Army as my first direction.

But I'll never forget a few pieces of wisdom my Dad gave me.

Even though he knew I was going in the Army,, on my 18th birthday,, at the family dinner,, he asked me; "You're 18, when are you moving out?"
It was his way of saying; "You are an adult, a man & need to make your own way."

But one of the best pieces of information he shared was; "Son, an education is something nobody can steal from you."
Now,, several years later,, I've added to that with; "But,, it's a crime if you don't share it.!"


Many are the young boys & young men in the BSA I've mentored over the decades that I've told that to.

BTW; A bit over a year after I got in the Army,, I went to college, using the Army tuition program. I secured a 2 year degree in Aviation. After I got out of the Army, and had a few years on me,, I went back to college, using the GI bill, and got diplomas in welding & machinist trades.
My life took different paths,, and it took time to get on them.

 

[turd]

Hmmmm. In college he will be introduced to communism, anti-white, anti-Christian, anti-male doctrine plus a healthy does of sexual perversion including @nal sex and f!sting taught in mandatory classes.

I didn't learn any of that in college.