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Snake Pleskin

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Nope, never.
If you ask a small group of people they will say they never had to defend themselves in a life or death situation.
So are we to conclude that people never need to defend their life? Hell no! We prepare ourselves for the rare times when we DO need to defend our lives.



The criminal sets the time of the attack. Yes you may notice something suspicious but you can't assume you will always be able to tell someone is about to pull a gun on you.
Even if you do notice someone acting suspicious do you draw your gun at the first sign he's acting strange? No the criminal will (with rare exceptions) be able to draw his weapon before you.
There is no perfect scenario, so the best we can do is be vigilante & aware, and if in doubt assume the worse and leave the area if possible. I also train, but put emphasis on extracting myself from the situation. You can train daily in everything you do, by practicing situational awareness when shopping, out and about, taking a walk etc etc. The old Cooper methods of Colors comes to mind. If you are in a condition Yellow, that is good and when it appears that it may go Orange, time to leave, not wait until it goes Red! That being said, when I decide I need to leave, I have my hand in a pocket on my 649 J frame the entire time, just in case. I do not have to take it out to use it etc, It works just fine from inside the pocket. Surprise is good. Everyone must do what they think is best, but thinking you will always prevail in court is not a good plan. IMHO
 

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There is no perfect scenario, so the best we can do is be vigilante & aware, and if in doubt assume the worse and leave the area if possible. I also train, but put emphasis on extracting myself from the situation. You can train daily in everything you do, by practicing situational awareness when shopping, out and about, taking a walk etc etc. The old Cooper methods of Colors comes to mind. If you are in a condition Yellow, that is good and when it appears that it may go Orange, time to leave, not wait until it goes Red! That being said, when I decide I need to leave, I have my hand in a pocket on my 649 J frame the entire time, just in case. I do not have to take it out to use it etc, It works just fine from inside the pocket. Surprise is good. Everyone must do what they think is best, but thinking you will always prevail in court is not a good plan. IMHO
Trouble is... if you are in that situation if you are fighting your attacker and the courts you are going to die. No matter what you do you will have a chance in court. Unless you are dead... if you are dead the court is just a tad irrelevant.
 

Snake Pleskin

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Trouble is... if you are in that situation if you are fighting your attacker and the courts you are going to die. No matter what you do you will have a chance in court. Unless you are dead... if you are dead the court is just a tad irrelevant.
I agree if you are dead the court is irrelevant, but if you live, and are convicted, and in a few months you will probably wish that you were dead! There are far worse things than dying, and incarceration is one of them. IMHO. In a previous life time, in Europe, I spent 10 days waiting to be "picked up" by our people. It was not something I would want to experience again.
 

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How often does someone find themselves needing a gun in hand Right Now , and are not able to ? Generally Once .

Hypothetically , if you actually feel that your area , your habits , your awareness , etc , you won't need a gun , just don't carry a gun . Leave it at home , until something serious changes , with anticipated public breakdown , think major natural disasters , preannoumced civil disturbance , etc .

It's a not uncommon attitude , just own it and go with it .

IF instead , you choose to be prepared for UNexpected critical Situiation , it will be potentially , even likely sudden and imeadate . It's not an uncommon attitude , embrace it and own it .

Gain & maintain proficiency , endeavor to not shoot yourself in the foot.

Don't care for 1911's ? Not a problem ! Plenty of other effective options in .45acp using DA/ SA platform . Or Revolver in ctg of comparitible gravitas .

But half @$$ half measures of carrying unloaded gun , accomplishes neither .
 

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I agree if you are dead the court is irrelevant, but if you live, and are convicted, and in a few months you will probably wish that you were dead! There are far worse things than dying, and incarceration is one of them. IMHO. In a previous life time, in Europe, I spent 10 days waiting to be "picked up" by our people. It was not something I would want to experience again.
And when I was a child in Chicago I was pushed down on a pile of garbage and raped. No court is going to make me consider having that happen again.
 

Snake Pleskin

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How often does someone find themselves needing a gun in hand Right Now , and are not able to ? Generally Once .

Hypothetically , if you actually feel that your area , your habits , your awareness , etc , you won't need a gun , just don't carry a gun . Leave it at home , until something serious changes , with anticipated public breakdown , think major natural disasters , preannoumced civil disturbance , etc .

It's a not uncommon attitude , just own it and go with it .

IF instead , you choose to be prepared for UNexpected critical Situiation , it will be potentially , even likely sudden and imeadate . It's not an uncommon attitude , embrace it and own it .

Gain & maintain proficiency , endeavor to not shoot yourself in the foot.

Don't care for 1911's ? Not a problem ! Plenty of other effective options in .45acp using DA/ SA platform . Or Revolver in ctg of comparitible gravitas .

But half @$$ half measures of carrying unloaded gun , accomplishes neither .
I believe that there is not much point in carrying an unloaded firearm, and if there is no round in the chamber it is "unloaded" because you can not count on being able to rack the slide etc and get it ready in time to do you any good. IMHO. I believe a round should be in the chamber, and if so equipped , safety on. There are many firearms that give you more safety features & therefore peace of mind, if you are so inclined. There are many solid, capable DA autos like SIG 226/220 and smaller versions, that provide all the safety features you could want ,yet are very capable arms, capable enough that the military's spec ops units used them for decades.
 

Jon406

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Trouble never makes an appointment, so carry or don't carry if you wish.... how I carry is up to me, as I stay well trained in case trouble decides to try and invade my life or that of my families.
 

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