Boeing Dreamliner crashes in India, 240+ dead

[arfmel]

The cause has not been determined:

Gatwick-bound Air India jet crashes seconds after take-off

Air India flight 171, a Boeing 787 Dreamliner, careened back to earth in the densely populated Meghani area of Ahmedabad after leaving the runway around 1:38pm local time (09:08 BST)

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[MaxMan]

Pakistani Involvement in some kind of sabotage? I sure hope not. I've heard flying is safer than riding in a car. Again, and again. Maybe the gap is narowing. Not just this tragedy but all the other incident

 

[Wvfarrier]

The video showed the plane losing lift but not thrust. Sad

 

[PinnedAndRecessed]

I've heard flying is safer than riding in a car.

Yeah, but at least I can fit in a car. I'm 6'6" tall with 37" inseam. Flying has been uncomfortable/painful for a long time.

Plus, when I started flying (mid 60s), it was very dignified and orderly. From what I see in the news it's now about like riding a bus through chinatown. People eating smelly fish. Taking their roosters and pigs for a ride.

No thanks.

 

[Armybrat]

RIP to all the unfortunate victims.

My first commercial flight was aboard a Lockheed Constellation in 1952 from NYC to Kansas City. Very nice.

In 2019 I rode in a center section seat next to a lady who had eaten a spicy curry dinner early in our nonstop flight from Heathrow (London) to Austin, Texas.
She farted all the way across the Atlantic.
That was the last time I was on a plane.

 

[MaxMan]

Luck of the draw I guess.

 

[Jim Walsh]

One 40 year old male walked away from the crash…

Survivor of Air India crash is seen WALKING AWAY from wreckage

Authorities had said earlier they believed there were no survivors on the Gatwick-bound flight that crashed in Gujarat carrying 242 passengers, including 53 Britons.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Yaworski]

Plus, when I started flying (mid 60s), it was very dignified and orderly. From what I see in the news it's now about like riding a bus through chinatown.

I remember those days. The good old days when you could meet your friend at the gate. Now the seats are smaller, you pay for luggage, and you have to be searched by government workers who believe that they are "law enforcement."

 

[turd]

RIP to those unfortunate people on board that flight.

 

[ArizonaTea123]

According.to the pictures the flaps were not deployed for take off. Typically 5-10 degrees flaps is normal but this was a fully loaded jet with full fuel.
Full-flaps gives extra lift on take-off.
This is standard procedure so this is pilot error/ human error, not mechanical error.
Perhaps some amateur pilots here can comment?

 

[hittman]

 

[MaxMan]

According.to the pictures the flaps were not deployed for take off. Typically 5-10 degrees flaps is normal but this was a fully loaded jet with full fuel.
Full-flaps gives extra lift on take-off.
This is standard procedure so this is pilot error/ human error, not mechanical error.
Perhaps some amateur pilots here can comment?

Thank you for the insight.

 

[Yaworski]

According.to the pictures the flaps were not deployed for take off. Typically 5-10 degrees flaps is normal but this was a fully loaded jet with full fuel.
Full-flaps gives extra lift on take-off.
This is standard procedure so this is pilot error/ human error, not mechanical error.
Perhaps some amateur pilots here can comment?

You normally don't select full flaps for take off. Flap settings are on the check-list. One pilot usually reads the check list and the other does the action.

 

[sfhogman]

YouTube Mentour Pilot channel has some interesting information. Definitely worth checking out.

 

[arfmel]

I'm surprised the aircraft would "allow" takeoff without the flaps being in the correct position.

 

[Jeepnik]

Flaps had to be right at takeoff or it never would have gotten airborne. Someone changed to flap position. I suppose the software could have been hacked but it's more believable that someone in the cockpit either intentionally or by accident adjusted the flaps.

The cockpit voice recorder, if it survived, may half the answer. But I doubt it will be released any time soon.

If the Indians are anything like the FAA they will intentionally withhold information until public interest has waned. And then regardless of the actual cause blame it on pilot error. Very easy to blame a dead crew when they defend themselves and you control all of the evidence.

Consider this. Had Scully not survived his water landing and all of the rapidly posted video not existed it's likely "pilot error" would have been the list cause.

 

[RC44Mag]

One 40 year old male walked away from the crash…

Survivor of Air India crash is seen WALKING AWAY from wreckage

Authorities had said earlier they believed there were no survivors on the Gatwick-bound flight that crashed in Gujarat carrying 242 passengers, including 53 Britons.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Damn, I'm reminded of the Bruce Willis movie Unbreakable.
I want to see an interview with this guy

 

[wheelgun1958]

Thank you for the insight.

Looked like a clean wing to me.

 

[Johnnu2]

Flaps had to be right at takeoff or it never would have gotten airborne. Someone changed to flap position. I suppose the software could have been hacked but it's more believable that someone in the cockpit either intentionally or by accident adjusted the flaps.

The cockpit voice recorder, if it survived, may half the answer. But I doubt it will be released any time soon.

If the Indians are anything like the FAA they will intentionally withhold information until public interest has waned.

They tried to blame Sully anyway..... movie was called Sully (2016) starring Tom Hanks.... the FAA really tried to put it to him (our gubment in action).

J.

 

[s4s4u]

Pakistani Involvement in some kind of sabotage? I sure hope not. I've heard flying is safer than riding in a car. Again, and again. Maybe the gap is narowing. Not just this tragedy but all the other incident

So they say. But, that depends on who is driving what, I believe. There are some people who just shouldn't be driving at all. Traffic fatality statistics are filled with drunk driving and texting while driving numbers. If you eliminate the idiocy on the road, the gap is certainly narrowed, if not reversed. Also, if you have a mechanical malfunction with your car, you might require a tow at worst. Not so much the case when your airplane encounters trouble.