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Cooperhawk

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SOBERING STATISTICS FOR THE VIETNAM WAR*


In case you haven't been paying attention these past few decades after you returned from Vietnam, the clock has been ticking. The following are some statistics that are at once depressing yet in a larger sense should give you a HUGE SENSE OF PRIDE.

"Of the 2,709,918 Americans who served in Vietnam, Less than 850,000 are estimated to be alive today, with the youngest American Vietnam veteran's age approximated to be 60 years old."
So, if you're alive and reading this, how does it feel to be among the last 1/3rd of all the U.S. Vets who served in VietNam? I don't know about you guys, but it kinda gives me the chills, Considering this is the kind of information I'm used to reading about WWII and Korean War vets...
So the last 14 years we are dying too fast, only the few will survive by 2025...if any. If true, 390 VN vets die a day. So in 2190 days...from today, lucky to be a Vietnam veteran alive... in only 6-10 years.

These statistics were taken from a variety of sources to include: The VFW Magazine, the Public Information Office, and the HQ CP Forward Observer - 1st Recon April 12, 1997.

*STATISTICS FOR INDIVIDUALS IN UNIFORM AND IN COUNTRY VIETNAM VETERANS: *

9,087,000 military personnel served on active duty during the Vietnam Era (August 5, 1964 - May 7, 1975).

8,744,000 GIs were on active duty during the war (Aug 5, 1964-March 28, 1973).

2,709,918 Americans served in Vietnam, this number represents 9.7% of their generation.

3,403,100 (Including 514,300 offshore) personnel served in the broader Southeast Asia Theater (Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, flight crews based in Thailand, and sailors in adjacent South China Sea waters).

2,594,000 personnel served within the borders of South Vietnam (Jan. 1, 1965 - March 28, 1973). Another 50,000 men served in Vietnam between 1960 and 1964.

Of the 2.6 million, between 1-1.6 million (40-60%) either fought in combat, provided close support or were at least fairly regularly exposed to enemy attack.

7,484 women (6,250 or 83.5% were nurses) served in Vietnam.

Peak troop strength in Vietnam: 543,482 (April 30, 1968).

Agent Orange is taking a huge toll on Vietnam Veterans with most deaths somehow related to Agent Orange exposure. No one officially dies of Agent Orange, they die from the exposure which causes ischemic Heart Disease and failure, Lung Cancer, Kidney failure or COPD related disorders.

CASUALTIES:

The first man to die in Vietnam was James Davis, in 1958. He was with the 509th Radio Research Station. Davis Station in Saigon was named for him.

Hostile deaths: 47,378

Non-hostile deaths: 10,800

Total: 58,202 (Includes men formerly classified as MIA and Mayaguez casualties). Men who have subsequently died of wounds account for the changing total.

8 nurses died -- 1 was KIA.

61% of the men killed were 21 or younger.

11,465 of those killed were younger than 20 years old.

Of those killed, 17,539 were married.

Average age of men killed: 23.1 years

Total Deaths: 23.11 years

Enlisted: 50,274; 22.37 years

Officers: 6,598; 28.43 years

Warrants: 1,276; 24.73 years

E1: 525; 20.34 years

Five men killed in Vietnam were only 16 years old.

The oldest man killed was 62 years old.

Highest state death rate: West Virginia - 84.1% (national average 58.9% for every 100,000 males in 1970).

Wounded: 303,704 -- 153,329 hospitalized + 150,375 injured requiring no hospital care.

Severely disabled: 75,000, -- 23,214: 100% disabled; 5,283 lost limbs; 1,081 sustained multiple amputations.

Amputation or crippling wounds to the lower extremities were 300% higher than in WWII and 70% higher than Korea.

Multiple amputations occurred at the rate of 18.4% compared to 5.7% in WWII.

Missing in Action: 2,338

POWs: 766 (114 died in captivity)

As of January 15, 2014, there are 1,875 Americans still unaccounted for, from the Vietnam War.

DRAFTEES VS. VOLUNTEERS:

25% (648,500) of total forces in country were draftees. (66% of U.S. armed forces members were drafted during WWII).

Draftees accounted for 30.4% (17,725) of combat deaths in Vietnam.

Reservists killed: 5,977

National Guard: 6,140 served: 101 died.

Total draftees (1965 - 73): 1,728,344.

Actually served in Vietnam: 38% Marine Corps Draft: 42,633.

Last man drafted: June 30, 1973.

RACE AND ETHNIC BACKGROUND:

88.4% of the men who actually served in Vietnam were Caucasian; 10.6% (275,000) were black; 1% belonged to other races.

86.3% of the men who died in Vietnam were Caucasian (includes Hispanics);

12.5% (7,241) were black;

1.2% belonged to other races.

170,000 Hispanics served in Vietnam; 3,070 (5.2% of total) died there.

70% of enlisted men killed were of North-west European descent.

86.8% of the men who were killed as a result of hostile action were Caucasian; 12.1% (5,711) were black; 1.1% belonged to other races.

14.6% (1,530) of non-combat deaths were among blacks.

34% of blacks who enlisted volunteered for the combat arms.

Overall, blacks suffered 12.5% of the deaths in Vietnam at a time when the percentage of blacks of military age was 13.5% of the total population.

Religion of Dead: Protestant -- 64.4%; Catholic -- 28.9%; other/none -- 6.7%

SOCIO-ECONOMIC STATUS:

Vietnam veterans have a lower unemployment rate than the same non-vet age groups.

Vietnam veterans' personal income exceeds that of our non-veteran age group by more than 18 percent.

76% of the men sent to Vietnam were from lower middle/working class backgrounds.

Three-fourths had family incomes above the poverty level; 50% were from middle income backgrounds.

Some 23% of Vietnam vets had fathers with professional, managerial or technical occupations.

79% of the men who served in Vietnam had a high school education or better when they entered the military service.

63% of Korean War vets and only 45% of WWII vets had completed high school upon separation.

Deaths by region per 100,000 of population: South -- 31%, West --29.9%; Midwest -- 28.4%; Northeast -- 23.5%.

DRUG USAGE & CRIME

There is no difference in drug usage between Vietnam Veterans and non-Vietnam Veterans of the same age group.

(Source: Veterans Administration Study)

Vietnam Veterans are less likely to be in prison - only one-half of one percent of Vietnam Veterans have been jailed for crimes.
85% of Vietnam Veterans made successful transitions to civilian life.

WINNING & LOSING:

82% of veterans who saw heavy combat strongly believe the war was lost because of lack of political will.

Nearly 75% of the public agrees it was a failure of political will, not of arms.

HONORABLE SERVICE:

97% of Vietnam-era veterans were honorably discharged.

91% of actual Vietnam War veterans and 90% of those who saw heavy combat are proud to have served their country.

74% say they would serve again, even knowing the outcome.

87% of the public now holds Vietnam veterans in high esteem.
 

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Pretty dramatic statistics.

It would be interesting to know if the survival stats (31% still alive) were similar (percentage-wise) 40+ years after WWII and Korea...
 

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Even with Agent Orange our modern health care system is a lot better these days. I would suspect we have a better survival rate today.

I was surprised at the ratios of races involved.
 

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I'm one of the "lucky" ones (not sure if luck's involved). The unit we supported left in late '70;I left 2-1-71...arrived 2-2-70. I was part of indirect (com) support of the 25th ID;grunts didn't like us. :) :roll:

I feel it was better to have served than to have actively avoided serving.
 

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Thanks for posting, I am 80 percent disabled and now I am finding I have heart problems and may need a pacemaker lucky me. Funny thing is I served with the 864 Eng.and we were known as the Pacemakers.
 

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1st Sig Bde,formulated in '66 from existing units...last site lasted until late '72...unit has been in Korea since then. I'll be 67 in September...ugh,lol.
 

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graygun said:
I'm one of the "lucky" ones (not sure if luck's involved). The unit we supported left in late '70;I left 2-1-71...arrived 2-2-70. I was part of indirect (com) support of the 25th ID;grunts didn't like us........

Not sure about the Electric Strawberry, but I was in the Big Red One (right next door), and speaking as a grunt, we didn't really hate you guys. The truth of the matter is that we really envied you. The only ones we hated were the MPs - and we had ways of dealing with them.
 

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Cooperhawk said:
Even with Agent Orange our modern health care system is a lot better these days. I would suspect we have a better survival rate today.

Hi,

I wonder how much better survival rates would be if the gubb'mint via the VA hadn't denied the effects of Agent Orange for so long? Two guys I know have serious health problems from exposure--one has Parkinson's, the other cancer--and both fought the VA harder than they did the VC, trying to get treatment and disability benefits. Each finally got them, but probably way too late to be effective.

Concerning similarities with other wars and conflicts, I know a couple of Gulf One vets who came home with serious problems from exposure to "something" over there. One's had respiratory problems from the beginning, the other developed cancer (and is a survivor, courtesy of non-VA treatment.) From what they've told me, including stories that doctors "over there" told them to obtain copies of their complete medical records BEFORE leaving, hand carry them home, and NEVER hand over their "originals"--they were told "Things have a way of getting lost" and sure enough, they did--I suspect history will repeat itself with the denials and delayed treatments...

Rick C
 

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wwb said:
graygun said:
I'm one of the "lucky" ones (not sure if luck's involved). The unit we supported left in late '70;I left 2-1-71...arrived 2-2-70. I was part of indirect (com) support of the 25th ID;grunts didn't like us........

Not sure about the Electric Strawberry, but I was in the Big Red One (right next door), and speaking as a grunt, we didn't really hate you guys. The truth of the matter is that we really envied you. The only ones we hated were the MPs - and we had ways of dealing with them.

Didn't know the 1st was so close. I remember lots of choppers at Phu Loi ( unit,units ???) and the 11th ACR at Di' An.
 

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I suppose so. When I went to boot in March '63 our senior DI ( Korea vet )told our platoon that half of us wouldn't live to see 50. He was right.
 

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I have no health problems except a little arthritis in my left hip, take no prescription meds except OTC supplements, and my yearly check-ups indicate absolutely nothing wrong, everything within normal range.
As far as "wasted lives", you can blame our government when they cut military aide to South Vietnam after our withdrawal and set them up for defeat. I am proud of my service to my Country as were trying to prevent things like what happened in Communist Cambodia during the Po Pot reign and the murder of at least 1 million+ innocent people. Who knows how many South Vietnamese suffered the same fate after our withdrawal.
The ones who sit back and complain about "wasted lives" are highly likely the yellow-bellied cowards who were hiding behind deferments and would still hide no matter what events would necessitate a call to duty by their Country.
BTW, we were winning when I left.
 

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