woah, that's some history you have with them. I appreciate all your insight, and offer my condolences to losing a friend that way. Think I'll just buy a case of the stuff, hope it arrives all right, then hope it lasts until I can find some locally. I have confirmed that the item I am looking for they DO have big stocks of. It's a 22WMR round from S&B that is a copy of the Winchester cheapie Dynapoint load. A case of 1500 rounds is $425, which is way too high, but still about a 40% discount to what the GB scalpers get selling by the box.