All You Need to Know About Batteries

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outlaw_dogboy

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I think the answer was taking place prior to *resident Biden's installation. The free market was progressing toward more and more electric. Given a choice and not being hamstrung by federal overregulation, and general public hysteria, we have the technology to move safely, efficiently, and fairly quickly to a greener electrical infrastructure. But the way the feds are trying to force it by shutting down the standard energy sources is ham-stringing the country's ability to move, build, or do anything. It is a failed policy. People need to be able to survive to get to a green economy. Unless you're wanting to just kill off enough people that society collapses, and all you have left is a green earth, with minimal to no population.
 

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So, what is the answer?
Go back a couple of hundred years? Or maybe to the Stone age and start all over. We need some good thinkers to solve this problem. Or we poison all of us with toxins.
Rocko Rizzo

Like I responded earlier, it's not the outcome that is resisted, it's the means to that end.

I think there are a lot of "good thinkers" on the case to solve the problems...except they can't agree and politically use their beliefs as cudgels to force their beliefs on others. In the political battle, there is so much collateral damage and strides forward are lost in the mayhem.

The "greenies" need to understand that the "fossils" aren't out to ruin the planet and aren't evil. The "fossils" need to understand that part of their responsibility is to lessen the impact. And *Everyone* needs to accept that their ideas aren't the end-all solution to replace the other's and their ways have limitations.

Is solar energy great? Damn right it is, but accept its downsides and limitations...same with wind. Don't make it out to be today's replacement to fossil fuels.

Can clean and efficient ICEs be developed? Absolutely. Maybe not tomorrow, but who knows what lies ahead technologically? Look at what's been gained since cars were invented? I have a pickup truck with a V8 engine that gets 15-21mpg...My dad's 1990 Grand Wagoneer gets 10-12.

Can coal-fired energy plants be made to burn cleaner? I'm sure they've been improved over the years because they've had to be.

I will say that many of the improvements have been made because of Government regulation, because even I'm not naive enough to think that private industry would have taken the initiative to do so on its own...however, the same incentives given to green tech development would also go pretty far in urging cleaner fossil fuel technology. No, green tech get the carrots, while fossil fuels get "the stick"...

I think of HRC's campaign slogan that she was going to shut down the coal industry (in West Virginia, no less)...and this current situation with the gas industry...

Just think of the *real* progress that could be made if everyone just sucked up their bullspit political views and worked together...

Aqualung
 

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Strange how all the high level (you fill in whatever) always seem to live in big expensive homes with LOADS of heat/cooling, swimming pools, etc, drive BIG or are driven in big limousines and fly in pollution spewing PRIVATE jets to meeting in exotic vacation locations around the world while demanding YOU use electric vehicles shut down your AC, and walk to work. Ask Jimbo down in South Florida IF he has shut off his AC and drives an electric car.
 

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How much fuel does this machine that digs ore for the manufacture of batteries use?
When we run out of fuel to heat our houses and cook our meals we will be back to burning wood and coal among other things...that will be pollution personified. I have lived many places where firewood was the norm for cooking and heating and I guarantee you we do not want to go back there for the masses...
 
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Incorrect on the CR2032 and cell phone. A CR2032 is a large button battery, usually found in electric votive candles, but also in some laser sights. The rest was completely accurate ( I have degrees in electronics and business). Great article.
A degree, but not really knowledgeable about 2032 uses. I worked with a lot of water system controllers that used the as backup power.
 

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How much fuel does this machine that digs ore for the manufacture of batteries use?
When we run out of fuel to heat our houses and cook our meals we will be back to burning wood and coal among other things...that will be pollution personified. I have lived many places where firewood was the norm for cooking and heating and I guarantee you we do not want to go back there for the masses...
Don't know, but I sure wouldn't want to get in it's way!
 

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In about 100 years we are going to find out that these "electrical" cars are causing harm to our environment, which will then lead to the search for new technology, which in another 100 years will be determined to cause harm to our environment, which will lead to a search for a new technology. Should I stop here?

Danny
 

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The environment is only an after thought for the power brokers and the first real clue it's a scam is when you see it all being traded on Wall-Street. You'll note they had to change the name from global warming to climate change to sell the con.
And we could not even buy a virus mask made in America.

And who do you get to sell the con, the young people at University, it's always typically through the schools they'll use to sell anything they want to make money off of. And these young people for the most part come from progressive Liberal ideology backgrounds. They have no idea were the ingredients are coming from to make the batteries, 12 year old slave labor in the Congo mines own by the commie Chinese.

But what is the bigger picture to it all, for starters it's to price the average out of owning a vehicle which in turn gets vehicles off the roads, saves the States money on road repair, relives congestion on the roads and a host of other things. Again the environment is barely an after thought.

And most of these young people have never even had a drivers license, live in the dump cities of America on a filthy and dangerous public transportation system, sitting next to the stickies and the crazies and hoping not to be robbed or assaulted.
$25k + in school debt with a bulsht degree. In a past time they were called the 'useful idiots' and later ended up worst off.
That's what happens when you never learn to think for yourself.
 
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A degree, but not really knowledgeable about 2032 uses. I worked with a lot of water system controllers that used the as backup power.
Well yeah- I didn't say that I gave ALL uses. I mean, they are also used in clocks, certain alarm systems, toy remotes, and a bunch of other stuff. Many years ago I also ran dry room production for a lithium battery maker in Paterson, NJ. Safety standards were not great back then. Every day they would put out the garbage cans and hose them from a distance. There were inevitably small explosions. VERY scary stuff to work with. The fire "sprinklers" in the dry room actually spewed graphite instead of water. While I understand why they couldn't use water, I am still uncertain just how fire retardant it is, and if it is, would anyone want to inhale it?
 
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To deny the fact that global warming is real is to deny reality. Of course it's real and is happening as we all converse with each other on this site. THe lie is that it is man made. caused by man and use whatever terminology you wish. No matter, that it's our fault. Just another lie foisted upon us but the (expletives deleted) that use their position in life to control us and enrich themselves. Study the history of the planet. There were a few periods of massive global warming, mean temps reaching up to 40 degrees higher or more that what we're experiencing today. Instead of working on "going green". how about figuring how to survive when temps get so high that our lives may be unsustainable. Gonna need some serious air conditioning and better forms of insulation.

On that talking battery, honestly, I did not know just what the price we and the lanet have to pay. I never had any love for an EV anyway and now as far as I'm concerned, they can junk the whole EV program.
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If electric vehicles were that great they would succeed in the free market without the government pushing them. As for the rest of it, I don't believe there is a free ride. All the climate change crap is really just an excuse for more government control but most people refuse to believe that.
 

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... if you assumed the carbon expenditure to build a Tesla (less battery pack) and a regular car to be the same, and analyzed only the carbon expenditure for building and charging battery vs. drilling, refining, and burning the gasoline, the Tesla would be "in the red" for 6-8 years compared to ICE auto. After that, the Tesla would be "greener."
Apples and oranges the ICE is complete and the Tesla still needs its battery. In 6-8 years of "normal" driving the Tesla would be on its 2nd or 3rd battery replacement.
Lets see where we're at 10 years down the road. A 2011 Leaf is about $6,500 with 75,000 miles - a 2011 Corolla is $14,000 with 80,000 miles. Which one would you buy knowing the leaf will need a $7-12,000 battery replacement in 25,000 miles or the Corolla which will easily travel another 170,000+ miles with far less carbon footprint? There are many 30+ year old cars rolling down the highways I doubt you'll see a 15-20 year old EV anyplace but a museum.
Somehow people think of EV cars as perpetual motion. They forget about the simple fact that to create and transport the electricity then charge the car there are losses at every step which if added would probably total 5+% of the total used. It's simple to see - generating electricity produces heat - that heat is using energy. All those transformers along the delivery path create heat - more loss - the transformer in your garage creates heat and the batteries in the car have their own cooling system which when it fails the car bursts into flames - the ultimate loss.
BTW to add to what a dumb idea this is .gov is installing charging stations not the electric companies. Name one program that .gov has been involved that was not a total failure or could have been done cheaper and more efficiently if private industry decided there was a need/market for it.
 
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I'm with you BTW Electric cars are blowing up, my guess is battery malfunctions
must be over heating during draw down!
E-bikes as well. Explosions on the news every week. Since I used to work for a lithium battery, I sort of expected it. The larger batteries do not have the same protection ratio that one finds in consumer electonics.
 
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Take away the subsidies for EVs and their fueling, and impose efficiency and emissions standards (disposal standards for batteries), and the performance and viability for EVs would quickly collapse. Not currently a level playing field, with EVs getting a free ride in several areas at the moment.
 
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