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AKA: "Educated Idiots"...& I know a few of them myself.
They have multiplied rapidly since 2008....AKA: "Educated Idiots"...& I know a few of them myself.
When my wife and I went on a Rhodes Scholar tour of Yellowstone a few years back there was a lady on the tour from Canada that went on and on about how awful it was that people could carry guns in Montana and such... when the tour was over I confessed to the guide that I had carried all the time we were there....
Skeet 028
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Cody Wyoming Wally World. Tourista Season. I was waiting in line. Fellow walked by 1911 open carry. Lady behind me grabs my arm and said...did you see that man? I go "huh". She said the man with the gun... I said I didn't pay much attention..what he was doing was legal. And then she started expounding why that was so dangerous, I asked where she was from...she said Illinois...Chicago. I then told her we didn't have many people killed in Wyoming. Sure it happens but I said this ain't Chicago. The gangbangers would probably end up dead here. She told me again guns were dangerous. Then I told her more than half the people I knew in the store that I could see had guns. Again...what?? She asked if I had a gun and I told her no ma'am. ...but my wife had hers...and she's a better shot than I am. She looked at my wife and she just smiled at her. Then I told her not to worry...she was perfectly safe in that store. That is a true story...The Tourista Season is long here...and the limit ain't high enough.
I know the law changed a year ago or so here in Texas, but I rarely, we'll make that haven't yet seen anyone open carry in Texas.
Of course I'm not out in West Texas or even rural Texas where probably more people open carry.
I also strongly agree with Blume, most people don't realize the gravity involved with carrying a weapon.
Much like the idiots trying to cause accidents while driving. They can't or haven't thought of the resulting aftermath.
Of course I'm not out in West Texas or even rural Texas where probably more people open carry.
I also strongly agree with Blume, most people don't realize the gravity involved with carrying a weapon.
Much like the idiots trying to cause accidents while driving. They can't or haven't thought of the resulting aftermath.
Huskerguy72
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I guess I have a different take on all of this. I carry most, but not all of the time. More when I travel, less around local area.
Although legal, I don't see the point to possibly rile anyone up. I also don't care about the confederate flag but why? Just because "I can"? People get triggered over lots of things and I understand that and yes it is their choice to get triggered but I don't choose to be the reason so I do my part. The few timed I have seen open carry it reminded me of watching Gun Smoke. I have decided I will not open carry, don't need the hassle and I am willing to inconvenience myself just a bit.
No offense, just how I am.
Although legal, I don't see the point to possibly rile anyone up. I also don't care about the confederate flag but why? Just because "I can"? People get triggered over lots of things and I understand that and yes it is their choice to get triggered but I don't choose to be the reason so I do my part. The few timed I have seen open carry it reminded me of watching Gun Smoke. I have decided I will not open carry, don't need the hassle and I am willing to inconvenience myself just a bit.
No offense, just how I am.
contender
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This thread was about how rare it is for someone to actually be vocal and upset at my open carry.
NOT about if open carry is good or bad.
It's every person's choice on HOW they carry. Some prefer to CCW (legally) and some open carry & some do both.
I do both, due to MY personal dress & activities.
Often the discussion revolves around the potential of being the "first" target a thug will try & take out if you open carry. A thug who's decided to do harm, will have some form of agenda as they enter a place or whatever. I also practice situational awareness,, to where if I'm in ANY place, and I see ANYBODY looking or acting suspicious,, I immediately get mentally prepared, and sometimes,, position my body in a manner that allows me to quickly recover my handgun IF necessary. In a potential armed confrontation, we all know that seconds,, heck, fractions of a second can make a difference. My open carry allows quicker access than any CCW method.
Another thought is about potential interaction with others. In my opinion, this occurrence with this obviously upset woman was a rarity. Why? Well, I was open carrying long before NC allowed CCW. And as such,, I've most often had very good & polite discussions on firearms, the laws, the overall attitude of gun ownership.
I'm an "open" person. I like meeting people, & I do try hard to be very friendly. AND,, by having discussions with people,, I can do a few things. One,, I'm showing them that gun owners are NOT the "knuckle dragging neanderthals, backwoods uneducated types or whatever else the media has tried to portray us as. By speaking calmly, politely, and explaining to folks that the problem isn't a gun, but the INDIVIDUAL behind it that's the problem.
But I know not everybody is as open or friendly or willing to engage strangers as I am.
I fully respect those who choose to keep quiet & never let others know they are carrying. YOUR choice. My choice is different.
And, as I mentioned,, NC allowed open carry LONG before CCW was allowed. And I carried back them as well. It wasn't that many years ago that gun owners had the ability to CCW in most places. I applaud the fact we've regained some of our Rights.
I see Sam has just posted as I was typing. Sam & I are good friends,, and we BOTH respect each other. Neither one of us gives grief to the other about such stuff. Yes,, as mentioned,, if a criminal were to see my gun, (and often,, it's not easily visible unless you are looking at me closely,) and choose to try & take me out,, I will already be evaluating the situation, and hopefully be aware of the thug before he can do harm.
Nothing is perfect,,, and nobody can "be all or do all" in every situation. Respect each other,, and our choices. We need to focus our arguments against those who oppose lawful gun ownership & rights instead of each other.
NOT about if open carry is good or bad.
It's every person's choice on HOW they carry. Some prefer to CCW (legally) and some open carry & some do both.
I do both, due to MY personal dress & activities.
Often the discussion revolves around the potential of being the "first" target a thug will try & take out if you open carry. A thug who's decided to do harm, will have some form of agenda as they enter a place or whatever. I also practice situational awareness,, to where if I'm in ANY place, and I see ANYBODY looking or acting suspicious,, I immediately get mentally prepared, and sometimes,, position my body in a manner that allows me to quickly recover my handgun IF necessary. In a potential armed confrontation, we all know that seconds,, heck, fractions of a second can make a difference. My open carry allows quicker access than any CCW method.
Another thought is about potential interaction with others. In my opinion, this occurrence with this obviously upset woman was a rarity. Why? Well, I was open carrying long before NC allowed CCW. And as such,, I've most often had very good & polite discussions on firearms, the laws, the overall attitude of gun ownership.
I'm an "open" person. I like meeting people, & I do try hard to be very friendly. AND,, by having discussions with people,, I can do a few things. One,, I'm showing them that gun owners are NOT the "knuckle dragging neanderthals, backwoods uneducated types or whatever else the media has tried to portray us as. By speaking calmly, politely, and explaining to folks that the problem isn't a gun, but the INDIVIDUAL behind it that's the problem.
But I know not everybody is as open or friendly or willing to engage strangers as I am.
I fully respect those who choose to keep quiet & never let others know they are carrying. YOUR choice. My choice is different.
And, as I mentioned,, NC allowed open carry LONG before CCW was allowed. And I carried back them as well. It wasn't that many years ago that gun owners had the ability to CCW in most places. I applaud the fact we've regained some of our Rights.
I see Sam has just posted as I was typing. Sam & I are good friends,, and we BOTH respect each other. Neither one of us gives grief to the other about such stuff. Yes,, as mentioned,, if a criminal were to see my gun, (and often,, it's not easily visible unless you are looking at me closely,) and choose to try & take me out,, I will already be evaluating the situation, and hopefully be aware of the thug before he can do harm.
Nothing is perfect,,, and nobody can "be all or do all" in every situation. Respect each other,, and our choices. We need to focus our arguments against those who oppose lawful gun ownership & rights instead of each other.
I agree, it's a personal choice. My preference is to blend in and go about my day quietly.
Buck7144
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I agree. I completely understand that it is the right of anyone to open carry. I don't think that it is the smart thing to do in every situation. I know many people do this for the shock value, to scare people. This hurts our efforts and gives fuel to the anti gun groups we fight every day. Strategically, I don't think letting anyone know you have a gun is a good idea as you will be the first one subdued or shot in a confrontation.
This is something that we will have to become used to as I do not want to see this right to open carry infringed in any way. If we change our stand on our rights, not only gun rights but all rights, we will eventually lose them all. Anarchist are going to cause trouble and push the bounds of social norms no matter what any of us do. The people you see in the riots and movements, many of them have no interest in what the argument is about, they are there to cause anarchy and revel in the disruption and destruction they cause. So we have to keep this in mind when you see things on television or in the news.
I worked for a newspaper chain for many years and the man, editor and head reporter all told me that they tell the public what to think. Any news is biased to whatever the person reporting it is biased. So don't believe half of what you see and none of what you hear!
This sign is in the window of the diner I go to almost daily. There is a popular tourist attraction with a bike path not far from the diner and a lot of people riding the path stop in for a meal. At any time there are several regular patrons that are quietly carrying concealed as the sign states. By law this sign must be posted by the business owner and I prefer to patronize businesses that have these signs in place.
I was at the counter and there were 4 "stawk brokas" from NYC in biking clothing complaining loudly about the posted sign. They were sitting at a table directly behind me so I was able to hear quite a bit about their opinions. People did not try to engage them about their stand on firearms but asked them how they were enjoying their trip. Their amazement at the friendliness of us locals was remarked on and they said that there must not be anyone carrying because they know how gun people act. As they left they got a good whiff of the local dairy farm manure hauler and it was a fine finish to their visit to my town.
I was at the counter and there were 4 "stawk brokas" from NYC in biking clothing complaining loudly about the posted sign. They were sitting at a table directly behind me so I was able to hear quite a bit about their opinions. People did not try to engage them about their stand on firearms but asked them how they were enjoying their trip. Their amazement at the friendliness of us locals was remarked on and they said that there must not be anyone carrying because they know how gun people act. As they left they got a good whiff of the local dairy farm manure hauler and it was a fine finish to their visit to my town.
John in WYO
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"in biking clothing" is a polite way of saying "Spandex Mafia" to folks around here…..
Edit: like leather clad, wanna-be outlaw, motorcyclists who often ignore traffic law en masse and surround automobile drivers who have offended them, the spandex mafia has members who behave similarly.
Edit: like leather clad, wanna-be outlaw, motorcyclists who often ignore traffic law en masse and surround automobile drivers who have offended them, the spandex mafia has members who behave similarly.
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Never heard that term before... makes sense to me"in biking clothing" is a polite way of saying "Spandex Mafia" to folks around here…..
I grew up in N.C and recal the open carry law although I seldom saw anyone applying it because doing so was sure to draw attention. The local cops thought it was better than concealed carry because they could easily see who was armed. I also remember that one had to apply for a permit from the local sheriff to purchase a handgun and pay a fee if approved. I don't know if that is still the case there but, a lot of folks resented having to pay for a permit for something you have the right to own. I guess that it is another source of revenue for the counties so, it likely isn't going away.
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I assume you mean she talked like she was from lowong oiland.
If you look at a map of the US, NY is a blue state. If you look at a map of NY there are small blue dots at NY city and Albany, but the rest of the state is solid red.
If you actually GO to the blue dots you see no signs. But all of the rest of the state you will see a proliferation of Trump signs.
The problem is that the "city" has a population of a gazillion, so they dominate the votes.
At present, Upsate NY is trying to secede.
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In Winter, with little to do outdoors, we often go to Craft Shows, Christmas in the Country, Home Shows and Garden Shows. And yes, Gun Shows. Boy, you should see the gun nuts at those gun shows!!!
All of the shows are hosted by a local Convention Center.
At noon the National Anthem is sung by a very nice woman. Usually, the event still goes on and little attention is paid.
Except at a gun show.
Business stops. Everyone takes off their hats and looks toward the American Flag, flown prominently on the ceiling in the center of the hall. If they are wearing a hat it comes off and they put their hand on their heart. To see little 4 year old kids stop talking and hold their hat over their heart brings tears to my eyes.
Yeah, I agree. Gun people act differently.
contender
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"I also remember that one had to apply for a permit from the local sheriff to purchase a handgun and pay a fee if approved. I don't know if that is still the case there but, a lot of folks resented having to pay for a permit for something you have the right to own. I guess that it is another source of revenue for the counties so, it likely isn't going away."
The "pistol purchasing permit" was a part of the Jim Crow era of laws. It was a way for the local Sheriff to deny a permit for "undesirable" people.
The fee was set at a permanent amount of $5 per permit. It was considered an administration fee. The Sheriff had the ability to waive the fee if they so chose to do so.
BUT,, that law is GONE! It happened FINALLY just a few months ago. Thanks largely in part to steady & strong lobbying by the NC Rifle & Pistol Assoc. (Of which, a member here, Sam Summey is a longtime BOD member,,as well as the newest member of the BOD, myself,) We've pushed hard for lawmakers to remove this racial, prejudiced, and un-necessary law from the books. It finally happened after decades of attempts to do so.
The "pistol purchasing permit" was a part of the Jim Crow era of laws. It was a way for the local Sheriff to deny a permit for "undesirable" people.
The fee was set at a permanent amount of $5 per permit. It was considered an administration fee. The Sheriff had the ability to waive the fee if they so chose to do so.
BUT,, that law is GONE! It happened FINALLY just a few months ago. Thanks largely in part to steady & strong lobbying by the NC Rifle & Pistol Assoc. (Of which, a member here, Sam Summey is a longtime BOD member,,as well as the newest member of the BOD, myself,) We've pushed hard for lawmakers to remove this racial, prejudiced, and un-necessary law from the books. It finally happened after decades of attempts to do so.
A note of interest re: the sign posted above in NY State establishments re: "Lawful CC Permitted On these Premises".
It's my understanding, based upon the training I received, (that is mandatory to possess a CCW permit in certain counties in NY), that carrying concealed (even with a valid NY permit) in stores, restaurants etc. that do NOT have that sign posted is a FELONY (anywhere in the entire state). This further brings up the concern re: that same law, and it's language about leaving a licensed firearm in one's vehicle unattended when going into a store, restaurant etc (anywhere in the entire state) that does NOT have that sign (and what must be done to LEGALLY do so). My recommendation to anyone who effected by these laws, to consult the appropriate legal entities to understand the law in its entirety (and certainly not rely on any advice or information given here
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IMHO,
J.
It's my understanding, based upon the training I received, (that is mandatory to possess a CCW permit in certain counties in NY), that carrying concealed (even with a valid NY permit) in stores, restaurants etc. that do NOT have that sign posted is a FELONY (anywhere in the entire state). This further brings up the concern re: that same law, and it's language about leaving a licensed firearm in one's vehicle unattended when going into a store, restaurant etc (anywhere in the entire state) that does NOT have that sign (and what must be done to LEGALLY do so). My recommendation to anyone who effected by these laws, to consult the appropriate legal entities to understand the law in its entirety (and certainly not rely on any advice or information given here
.IMHO,
J.
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NY requires a person to have a pistol permit to own a handgun. It was not issued willy nilly to anyone. You had to prove a need. (No problem for most people) The NY Pro gun lobby forced the US Supreme Court to rule that ANYONE had the right to own a gun, thus changing the NY requirements.A note of interest re: the sign posted above in NY State establishments re: "Lawful CC Permitted On these Premises".
It's my understanding, based upon the training I received, (that is mandatory to possess a CCW permit in certain counties in NY), that carrying concealed (even with a valid NY permit) in stores, restaurants etc. that do NOT have that sign posted is a FELONY (anywhere in the entire state). This further brings up the concern re: that same law, and it's language about leaving a licensed firearm in one's vehicle unattended when going into a store, restaurant etc (anywhere in the entire state) that does NOT have that sign (and what must be done to LEGALLY do so). My recommendation to anyone who effected by these laws, to consult the appropriate legal entities to understand the law in its entirety (and certainly not rely on any advice or information given here
IMHO,
J.
Good news, right? Wrong.
NY, in the dark of night, passed what I call the Safe Act 2.0. If they had to give you a permit, they decided they would make sure you couldn't use it anywhere. (Hahahah they said). The loophole was if businesses posted the sight mentioned above.
The specifics and all info related to this new law is clearly posted on the NY web site.
