357 to 44 special.

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what is an average cost to ream a 357 cylinder to a 44 spl.? I just picked up a stainless 4 5/8" 357 and was thinking of a 44 special conversion. Are the barrel threads the same on 44 magnum barrels as the 357's? any ideas on where to find a barrel? I just spotted the STICKY posted above. I will go read this and maybe find some answers to my questions.
 
Not sure about cost, but usually folks convert the medium frame Rugers to .44 Special. If your .357 is stainless, it is a large frame Ruger.

It can be converted just the same, but you end up with a gun the same size and more or less the same weight as a .44 Magnum Ruger. I have seen and shot conversions on the large frame, nothing wrong with them at all, but part of the charm of a .44 Special is having the lighter weight and size gun.

Just my .02, but it would make a nice .44 Special in any case, and yes, the threads will be the same as a take off .44 barrel. All you need is someone to fit the barrel and rechamber the cylinder.
 
No wonder the gun felt so beefy in my hand. I guess I was looking for what you were describing, light and handy. Oh well, The deal was good even if it isn't a great candidate for a conversion. I bought two consecutively serial numbered stainless 357's with 4 5/8" barrels for $500. $250 a piece seemed a good deal in my neighborhood. The previous owner had the triggers smoothed and lightened. they both break at 2 Lbs. serial # date them to 2002. The twins
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i keep coming up with 600 for a conversion. talk with gary reeder. or just google 357-44 conversion

i just posted ths same question a couple of weeks ago.
 
Great price! Nice pair of revolvers. If you decide to do a conversion, you have a nice candidate, it will just end up a little heavier than a medium frame.

However it will be lighter than what you have now. Bigger bore and chambers means less steel.
 
I have a friend who has worked with tools his whole life. He's had various careers and finally decided that his "retirement career" would be as a gunsmith. He had logged a lot of hours working on friends' guns so he figured he might as well learn how to "do things right" and do what he likes for a living.

So he moved to Tishomingo, OK and went to the gunsmithing school there. Two year program. He finished last spring. Now he is back home in Austin, TX and setting up his shop. He's currently working with three other experienced gunsmiths in their shop. He's says it's like graduate school now.

Anyway, he converted a .357 OM to .44 Special for me. I found a .44 Magnum NM barrel on this forum. He converted the cylinder. Then he put the thick and heavy .44 Magnum barrel in a lathe and turned it down until it was the diameter of the original .357 barrel. Which also did away with all the objectionable NM warnings. We decided to retain the OM gripframe but he blasted it and then left it like that. So it is a two tone gun. I made an order from Brownell's for a steel ejector rod housing and a rod with a Colt style button. And higher front blade since the donor barrel was a 7.5" and I wanted to end up around 5".

I've put a few hundred rounds through it so far and I'm quite pleased. Rapidly becoming a favorite. Since Pat is just starting out and needs to establish a reputation, I'm sure he will do the work for less than the big names. And he doesn't have a waiting list yet.

If you do talk to him, please mention that Gregg sent you. I owe him some referrals for all the nice work he has done for me!

His postal address is:

Pat Loynd
Cochise Custom
1103 South Trace
Austin, TX 78745

His email is [email protected].

I know, I owe some pictures to this forum now that I have mentioned it several times. I haven't taken any really good photos of it yet and I don't really want to put up snapshots. And it still has the original Ruger wood grips on it. I still haven't been able to pick what grips would be best for a two-tone gun!

I swear I will get around to it soon!

Gregg
 
IMO, the best thing about converting one of those stainless NM's is just that, you end up with a stainless gun. (Plus getting the base gun for $250 is just about literally a steal!)

But if you are interested in a conversion on the smaller frame, the best deal out there is to grab one of the NM .357 FT's and use that as your donor. Well, that used to be the best deal. Now you can actually buy it is .44 Special in the first place. If you can find one!

Gregg
 
Let me see if I have this straight. When everyone was converting 357's to 44 special before the Lipseys came out, they were using Old Model 357's ? Were these were a smaller revolver than their successor, the New Model? I measured my Rugers ( all New Models ) and they were all fairly similar in cylinder diameter and length, and the top strap thickness. The 357's weigh more than my SS 7 1/2" 45 colt and my Blue 44 super Blackhawk 10 1/2 ". I guess I'll have to get a Lipsey 44 special.to get a light packing gun. What is the weight of a 4 5/8" Lipsey 44 special? The 44 specials on Ruger's site show as being 1 ounce lighter ( 45 oz VS 46 oz ) than the SS 357. So are the ones Ruger is now offering based on a large sized frame like my 357's?
 
The ones Ruger is offering now are built on a medium frame, it is a fairly recent re-introduction of the medium size, which was dropped from production when the New Models were introduced.

And yes, before Lipseys, most folks were building them on medium frame OM .357s, which ends up being lighter than a Lipseys because of the aluminum grip frame (Lipseys is all steel).

Just to clue you in a bit more. Prior to the NM introduction there were two sizes of OM centerfire frames, medium for .357 and large for .30 Carbine, .41 Magnum, .44 Magnum, and .45 Colt. There were never any factory poduced .44 Specials in any OM, regardless of size.

When the NM was introduced, they decided to base ALL centerfires on the same large frame. There was a great deal of grumbling from the troops over this, as it made the .357s pretty big in comparison to the medium OMs. Still with me so far? Oh, and all Vaqueros are essentially large frame fixed sight NMs (we still have not gotten to NEW Vaqueros, be patient grasshopper). I won't go into any details on limited production calibers like .32-20, 10mm, .40 S&W, as those were all large frames.

OK, when the cowboy action shooting scene really, really started to take off, the same troops that had complained about the big NM .357 really started to grumble about the size of the Vaquero, as it was bigger than a (take your hat off sir!) Colt SAA.

So Ruger introduced the New Vaquero, which is a medium frame, and chambered it in .357 and .45 Colt. This was the first time a caliber larger than .357 was available in a medium frame, and it sort of set the wheels to turning with a lot of folks.

Then along came the 50th Anniversary of the Blackhawk in 2005 and Ruger introduced a re-issue of the medium frame, adjustable sighted, flattop .357 Magnum.

Hearts started fluttering everywhere, and lots of boys were scooping up the 50th models and building .44 Specials. Enough were doing so Lipseys was bright enough to see the handwriting on the wall and convinced Ruger to make some runs of the 50th dressed up as a .44 Special. The rest is history.

So now we have NM large frame Blackhawks in all calibers except .44 Special, and New Vaquero medium frames in .357 and .45 Colt, and finally medium frame flattop Blackhawks in .44 Special. Clear as mud? Good, y'all are a Ruger fan now. Take two Bearcats and call me in the morning.

I think I got all that right, but sure as shooting someone will be along shortly to correct my mistakes. I didn't get into flattop vs. non-flattop as that would have taken a few more paragraphs, but that is essentially the jist of things.
 
Thanks for the schooling Professor Otony!! That clears up a lot. Why are the Lipsey 44 spl shown as weighing 42 oz and the New cataloged Rugers are listed at 45 oz.
 
Nice pair at a steal of a price, you have another option to consider, why not re-rifle the barrel to 44 and have the cylinder re-chambered to 44 special, should cost less than 300.00. you could have the lettering taken off at the same time.
 
If you want a lighter carry gun do not buy the Lipsey's .44 special. Steel grip frame and steel ejector rod housing it's a 1/2 pound heavier than a new flattop.
 
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