.357 recoil - Ruger vs. Chiappa

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Which .357 has the least recoil?

  • 3.Choice number 2 with Magna-ports

    Votes: 1 10.0%
  • 2.Ruger revolver of same size and weight

    Votes: 3 30.0%
  • 1.Chiappa Rhino

    Votes: 2 20.0%
  • 6.None of the above; Read my comment

    Votes: 2 20.0%
  • 5.It depends; Read my comment.

    Votes: 2 20.0%
  • 4.No difference

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    10

LbA3V0w

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Does a low-barrel revolver like Chiappa Rhino have less recoil than a Ruger revolver of similar size and weight?

Upd: using the same ammo load
 
WIL TERRY said:
YOU ARE CONFUSING the actual recoil developed by any certain load in any certain gun and the FELT recoil from any certain gun; BIG DIFFERENCE !!
Well, if it's such a big difference, please pick the least for whichever recoil you wish, or both. :)
 
If the 2 are the same weight, barrel legth and same load, the measured recoil in pounds or what ever measurement should be the same. However the "felt" recoil will probably not be the same. That is an individual subjective thing.
 
LbA3V0w said:
WIL TERRY said:
YOU ARE CONFUSING the actual recoil developed by any certain load in any certain gun and the FELT recoil from any certain gun; BIG DIFFERENCE !!
Well, if it's such a big difference, please pick the least for whichever recoil you wish, or both. :)
IT SEEMS TO ME, you should BUY both guns, shoot them extensively, and post the information for all of us.
 
WIL TERRY said:
IT SEEMS TO ME, you should BUY both guns, shoot them extensively, and post the information for all of us.
Maybe if I had the money to blow around like that for fun, I would.

However, I think someone somewhere who does have money to burn has already done what you said. Here is someone who at least asked himself a similar question: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hn9IGEq0RRA

IT SEEMS TO ME, that if you don't have anything to add to this discussion besides the pedantic and the obvious, you should just IGNORE my question. :)
 
As has been said above, the actual recoil would be the same....all other factors being equal.

Now, what I think you may be looking for is the difference in muzzle rise, or muzzle flip. If that is what you want to know, then the Rhino should produce noticeably less of that due to the barrel being lower in relation to the grip.

I have not fired a Rhino, but that is what I would expect. 8)
 
5of7 said:
As has been said above, the actual recoil would be the same....all other factors being equal.
Now, what I think you may be looking for is the difference in muzzle rise, or muzzle flip. If that is what you want to know, then the Rhino should produce noticeably less of that due to the barrel being lower in relation to the grip.
I have not fired a Rhino, but that is what I would expect. 8)
Thank you. I found another clip, which supports what you say in a pretty dramatic way: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OK72iczVsrk

I wonder if a Magna-ported Ruger would have the same muzzle rise. Then, I'll just do that with mine.

Definitely wish Ruger would come out with a low-barrel revolver of their own. I would rather buy an American gun, unless there isn't a comparable one, which seems to be the case with this. :(
 
If you find the recoil of a 357 magnum objectionable in a Ruger revolver you can always shoot 38 specials. That's what I do lots of times. Just be sure to keep the chambers clean by scrubbin with a bronze brush and solvent, same as you would the bore. :D
 
IT SEEMS TO ME, that if you don't have anything to add to this discussion besides the pedantic and the obvious, you should just IGNORE my question. :)[/quote]

I WAS TRYING to get you to THINK. Obviously it did not work as you prefer someone else to do that for you.
 
Jimbo357mag said:
If you find the recoil of a 357 magnum objectionable in a Ruger revolver you can always shoot 38 specials. That's what I do lots of times. Just be sure to keep the chambers clean by scrubbin with a bronze brush and solvent, same as you would the bore. :D
I use 38's in a 357 for practice and fun, but then I have to use 38's for self-defense too.

It would be reckless without constant practice to use such a different round as 357 under SD pressure, with bystanders around, from a gun with only 5 rounds, which I have to shoot really straight on-target, and fast!

So, I would rather SD with 357's in a 357 that I can use to practice with 357's, or not have a 357 at all. :)

If I don't see a company make a better low-barrel revolver soon, I think I'll just have my 357 ported, and see how that feels.
 
I have never seen a chiappa rhino except in pictures. Porting will increase the "blast" that a lot of people find objectionable in a normal .357. Get the gun you like then deal with it-change grips or loads til you find what works for you.
gramps
 
gramps said:
I have never seen a chiappa rhino except in pictures. Porting will increase the "blast" that a lot of people find objectionable in a normal .357. Get the gun you like then deal with it-change grips or loads til you find what works for you.
gramps
Thank you, sir. I love the SP101 357, because it's so compact, and every round is strong enough to end the fight, IF you make it count.

Even after a week with it though at Ayoob's LFI, and years later, I still doubt I can make each one count in a real fight, because it's always trying to jump out of my hand and flip the muzzle. It probably would just take more practice, but it's a pain to shoot even a box of 50 from it without starting to flinch.

I tried the really nice Hogue grip for it, but it didn't help much with muzzle flip and really takes away from concealability of this great gun.

So, I think in the 357 I have to either go to a low-barrel gun, or figure out whether Magna or Hybra port is better, and go with that. :^\
 
What you really want to know is TWO things:
1. Will the recoil of one gun or the other have better recoil CONTROL so that you can get back on-target faster for follow-up shots; and
2. Will the recoil of one gun or the other hurt your hand more, leading to flinch from practice?

It is entirely possible that one gun will be more controllable, while the other will hurt less.

Or, one might be advantageous in both catagories.

I have not shot a Rino, so I can't tell you what MY perceptions of these recoil issues would be.

But, YOUR perceptions might be significantly different from mine, depending on the size, strength and weight of your hands.

So, essentially YOU need to shoot the guns before you will know how YOU feel about them.

What I suggest is that you find a place where you can rent of borrow a Rino to try.

Then, please post a follow-up so that we know what you think. Because, now you have made us curious.

SL1
 
SL1 said:
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So, essentially YOU need to shoot the guns before you will know how YOU feel about them.

What I suggest is that you find a place where you can rent of borrow a Rino to try.

Then, please post a follow-up so that we know what you think. Because, now you have made us curious.

SL1
Thank you. I will, if I run across one somewhere.

I watched many other Utube clips about the Rhino today, and some people are saying that the later models have more quality problems than the early ones, which is inexcusable in a gun that expensive.

As far as making it even more easily shootable, they recommend some kind of a Stage 2 trigger upgrade, and an optional rubber grip, because the stock wooden one does still punch the hand like a 357. One guy also recommended a rear sight upgrade.

None of that should be necessary in a gun with that price! So, I think I'll probably just put the money into making my Ruger better, and wait for a quality manufacturer to make a low-barrel revolver.
 
the recoil is going to be the same. How the recoil is delivered to the shooter is the difference. the barrel in the lower position should push the recoil into the palm of the hand reducing muzzle flip. look at the conventional revolver set up with the recoil forces are pushed into the upper web of the hand and the muzzle rise is significant.

I wish I had the money to try one of those as I think they it would be a nice weapon. Now since I don't have that kind of cash then I would say try a security six.

they absorb recoil as good if not better than the gp and way better than the sp101. the 4 inch is 3 to 4 oz heavier than the sp101 and 7 oz lighter than the gp. the cylinder is thinner than the gp as well. I have switched to the security six as it treads the line between the sp and gp and provides the advantages of both.

give one a try and I don't think you will look back.

JMHO
 
*In Theory* a gun with a lower bore axis will have less muzzle flip with everything else equal. In real life everything else is far from equal.The fit of a particular gun, with a specific set of grips , held in YOUR hand is a huge factor. Even if I had fired a Rhino , how it feels and behaves in MY hand wouldn't nesecarilly relate to how it felt in YOUR hand.

I can say from personal experience that the SP101 is the smallest and lightest revolver that I can suitably control with full magnums , and also be less than painful. Invigorating , exciting , no doubt that somthing went off, not "fun" to shoot for hundreds of rounds , but controlable and non-painful.

And also from personal experience on a 2.75in .44Magnum I used before and after Magnaporting with factory level magnums. The total force into the hand not greatly changed , but the muzzle flip reduced to "barely controlable.

Magnaport reduces muzzle flip "a certain amount" , and has no measurable difference in vel. HybraPort.reduces muzzle flip " even more" , but does reduce velocities.

I would generally advise against porting on a SD gun , since in a retention position , or other expedient postion in a dynnamic situation can send the redirected high pressure muzzle gases into your face , or other part of anatomy. I once saw a friend using a .357 in an improper Creedmore position give himself 3rd degree burn from cylnder gap flash , so I have a lot of respect for those gasses. MagnaPort has some , Hybreport has exponentially more.

From personal experience , I you have used the stances and techniques you learned in LFI I , that would already be giving you a high degree of control of hard kicking gun.

Options :

If you CAN control it , but it is unpleasant , take head of the practice and philosophy of Bill Jordan ( who concieved of the first small for its day .357 ). Shoot a bizillon .38spls to practice trigger control , aiming , drawing , etc , and only shoot enough full powered to be familar with it .

OR

Realize you can only bend the laws of physics a limited distance. At a certain point to achieve a signifigen difference in recoil/ flip you will need to either use same gun with lesser recoiling ammo, or use same ammo in a larger gun.

The better .38 +P , or medium vel .357's are still more than reasonably adaquate defensive rounds. OR a medium frame .357 with +/- 3in bbl is much more controlable (and more pleasant) , and still reasonably concealable ( from first hand experience).

Pick your flavor of poison.
 
My thought is the grips and fit to your hand will be most important in control of recoil. Which will depend on the weight of the gun. The lighter having more.
 
buckeyeshooter said:
My thought is the grips and fit to your hand will be most important in control of recoil. Which will depend on the weight of the gun. The lighter having more.

I agree as well, I have found in my search that grips play a major part in the felt recoil and ease of shooting. The security six with pachmayr short grips work best for me. I would like to find some wood (for looks) that would perform as well as they do.
paul
 
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