327 on a Single Six Frame
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Ruger offers a 327 Blackhawk.
I've been hoping for a 327 Single-Six since the beginning, and while Ruger has not seen fit to offer one, a few custom-builders have been cranking them out.
I've been hoping for a 327 Single-Six since the beginning, and while Ruger has not seen fit to offer one, a few custom-builders have been cranking them out.
I like my little 327 single action.
Hondo44
Hawkeye
The all stainless model was discontinued. Nice that it was an 8 shot but the large frame was a loser, not much fun to shoot. Most peoiple wanted something not so heavy; a 327 on a small frame or at least the mid frame and convertible with the 32/20.snappy said:
I changed the title of thread to "327 on a single Six Frame" thats what I meant to put ..that would make a nice compact package with a nice punch .."great pack gun"
I was look at a Uberti Model P JR. in 38 spl. a year or so ago at a LGS .. I could not get them to budge on the price , so I passed,...(never fall in love with a gun until after you buy it) great little pistol had a 3.5 in barrel best i remember...it was a smaller frame single action..
The one I saw was just like this but...had a brids head grip
I was look at a Uberti Model P JR. in 38 spl. a year or so ago at a LGS .. I could not get them to budge on the price , so I passed,...(never fall in love with a gun until after you buy it) great little pistol had a 3.5 in barrel best i remember...it was a smaller frame single action..
The one I saw was just like this but...had a brids head grip
Hondo44
Hawkeye
Buckeye! said:
I have one w/birdshead and other than needing a little tuning, like most guns when new, it's a very fun little gun to shoot. They also make it in a 32 H&R Mag / 32-20 convertible. The best news is, the cylinder is larger than my single six in both diameter and length; plenty long enough to easily ream for the 327 Mag.
contender
Ruger Guru
I love my Blackhawk stainless 327 mag. I do not understand the folks who think it's too big. But,, that's why no one gun fits everybody!
Hondo44
Hawkeye
Here's the first 327 conversion I've done, a 3screw 1959 vintage 22 Mag 'only' Single Six.
First I converted the frame to a center fire firing pin.
Then converted to 32 H&R Mag with a factory barrel and cyl.
Then reamed the H&R cyl to 327 Fed Mag.
It is true all the 'professional' conversions on a single six use a longer custom cylinder. But loaded factory cartridges are only .003-4" longer than the Ruger factory 32 H&R cylinder. And believe it or not they function perfectly by taking advantage of the barrel/cylinder gap spacing. Even if your handloaded bullets are a bit longer, the bullets can be seated in the cases a bit deeper so they don't exceed an overall cartridge length of 1.460" or the Ruger maximum cylinder chamber length.
First I converted the frame to a center fire firing pin.
Then converted to 32 H&R Mag with a factory barrel and cyl.
Then reamed the H&R cyl to 327 Fed Mag.
It is true all the 'professional' conversions on a single six use a longer custom cylinder. But loaded factory cartridges are only .003-4" longer than the Ruger factory 32 H&R cylinder. And believe it or not they function perfectly by taking advantage of the barrel/cylinder gap spacing. Even if your handloaded bullets are a bit longer, the bullets can be seated in the cases a bit deeper so they don't exceed an overall cartridge length of 1.460" or the Ruger maximum cylinder chamber length.
I've got the stainless version as well. I really enjoy it. I think the weight is beneficial to the gun. It definitely doesn't detract from the shooting aspect of the gun.
Green Frog
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Hondo44, as we have discussed, I bought the Big BH Stainless 8-shooter about a year or so ago with the plan of making it a companion gun to the Custom S&W Stainless K-frame I was having built. Now that I have both in hand, I have to agree that for most purposes the BH is a bit more than the optimum amount of steel to wrap around that cartridge. If I keep shooting it, the big guy will probably get a scope and be used for load testing and hunting purposes, but it will never be the pleasant companion at my side that I expect the S&W to be. 8)
I still maintain that if the mid-size flat-top single action were used to make a six shot 327 Fed Mag (your choice of barrel lengths) would be the ideal single action platform for this very versatile cartridge. If we had seen this in about 1975 or 80, you could have sold about a brazillion of them. Definitely a cartridge born out of its time. :?
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the Frog
I still maintain that if the mid-size flat-top single action were used to make a six shot 327 Fed Mag (your choice of barrel lengths) would be the ideal single action platform for this very versatile cartridge. If we had seen this in about 1975 or 80, you could have sold about a brazillion of them. Definitely a cartridge born out of its time. :?
Regards,
the Frog
I really enjoy my 32 H&R on the SS platform. And yes, i think the SS in 327 would be great.... especially in a Bisley.
But with that said, one can just search this site for all the discussions about the SS chambered in 32 H&R and the 327. The SS in 32 H&R is no longer in production. the 8-shot BH in 327 is no longer produce. I think that just shows how we make up a small part of gun buyers and just aren't able to drive the demand for these little dandy cartridges in SS sized SA's.... well actually in any of Ruger's SA platforms.
However, Robb seems to have found the solution with his FA and I believe i'd follow his route. even before going the custom route.
But with that said, one can just search this site for all the discussions about the SS chambered in 32 H&R and the 327. The SS in 32 H&R is no longer in production. the 8-shot BH in 327 is no longer produce. I think that just shows how we make up a small part of gun buyers and just aren't able to drive the demand for these little dandy cartridges in SS sized SA's.... well actually in any of Ruger's SA platforms.
However, Robb seems to have found the solution with his FA and I believe i'd follow his route. even before going the custom route.
Muley Gil
Blackhawk
Hondo44 said:
I have a Model P Jr in .32 H&R/.32-20. Standard grip frame and 4 3/4" barrel.
I wonder if the cylinder is strong enough to handle the .327 Magnum pressures? I realize the size is bigger, but what about the strength of the steel?
Hondo44
Hawkeye
The easiest way to get a professional opinion would be to contact a few of the biggie custom smiths like Bowen Clements, Horvath, etc., and ask if they'll ream the 32 H&R cyl to 327 Fed Mag. If they do work on Uberti made firearms, but won't agree to do it, they'll likely tell you why. But if they agree to ream it, you're home free.
mohavesam
Hawkeye
So... why not just load the 32 H&R Mag cases to kaboom pressure (327Mag is 45000 in the same cylinder steel), and brass dimensions differ only in length, head and walls are the same from 32 mag to 327 FM.
HR Mag case length 1.075" - OAL 1.350"
327 FM case length is 1.20" - OAL 1.47"
Seems the cylinder reaming for 327 length problem is moot then?
HR Mag case length 1.075" - OAL 1.350"
327 FM case length is 1.20" - OAL 1.47"
Seems the cylinder reaming for 327 length problem is moot then?
Hondo44
Hawkeye
mohavesam said:
Reloaders like me will do that. Non-reloaders need to buy off the shelf. (If and when they can find it these days).
mohavesam
Hawkeye
Since the 327 FM Blackhawk is long out-of-production, and the Single-Six frame conversion a custom-only proposition (no one's talking about the "who & how much" part of that here), I fear I'll be buying a reamer and chambering a Contender barrel from 32 H&R Mag to the excellent 327 Fed. Mag.
That is, unless someone comes up with the best ides of all - an SP101 with adjustable rear and a 5 or 6" half-lug barrel! -
Or dare I propose a lever-action Charger in 327???
Remember when Ruger built hunting handguns?
That is, unless someone comes up with the best ides of all - an SP101 with adjustable rear and a 5 or 6" half-lug barrel! -
Or dare I propose a lever-action Charger in 327???
Remember when Ruger built hunting handguns?
mohavesam said:
The "who and how much" is - the likes of Bowen, Harton, Clements, Gallagher, Reeder, etc. The how much -
$250-300 for new cylinder - add to that fitting work (incl "adjustment" of B/C gap), new caliber roll mark, finish of cylinder and refinish of frame, and assuming no other work (hammers, action, sights, etc), you're minimally looking at mid to upper $00's...and more likely into lower-mid $1000's with any additional "fancy" work. Doesn't mean you can't do the basics for less and some here have: buy Bowen's piloted blank cylinder and have a local smith blue and fit it, but skip the "correct font" roll mark and frame refinish work etc)...but most folks would "go all the away" with finishing and possibly other embellishments. Re: reaming the current cylinder my guess is they (aboive smiths) won't do it. They (and I) would be perennially concerned about OAL, as well as - I don't know if anyone (here or elsewhere) has definitively answered the question of whether the heat treatment on the factory SS cylinder is up to the .327's 40,000+ pressure? A search just reveals the question and rampant speculation. I don't even know if Bowen himself has stated the factory treatment is not up to snuff, just that the new cylinder he uses is - material and treatment wise.
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