2nd of Several Old Guns- ***SPF*** Thanks!

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This is the second one I am listing. As before, please bear with me. Her old guns are way out of my league knowledge-wise. I looked without success for hours to find one reference with a pic of this same rifle. I have to say that in the short time I have handled this rifle, I have fallen in love with its feel. It has double triggers. Pull the rear trigger to set it. The SLIGHTEST touch on the front trigger is all it takes to fire. There is a small screw behind the trigger, so it may adjust. The barrel is 24" from the muzzle to where it joins the action, The wood stock isn't broken. The is no writing that I can find on the rifle, other than the letters BU. Lots of scrollwork and designs in the action, floorplate, trigger guard, and on the flat bolt. The buttplate has a piece 3/4" long that is broken and missing from the second screw down to the bottom. The rifle isn't heavy like I thought it would be. It shoulders and balances well; it's easy to line the sights up and hold it steady, and that says a lot coming from me. I tried a .30-06 down the muzzle and if has a small amount of play. I tried a .35 and is a little too big to start down the muzzle. So for now, I think it must be 8mm.

This is all I can find on the gun on the internet. This looks very much like what I am selling except for the bolt and the raised wood on both sides of the stock. The one I'm selling has a flat bolt, and it doesn't have that raised piece of wood on the sides under the action, nor does it have that metal piece between the raised wood and the forend (looks like what my muzzleloader has to remove the barrel).

http://www.armslist.com/posts/1413138/state-college-pennsylvania-rifles-for-sale--extremely-rare-german-sniper-rifle-1-of-6-known-stateside-

More info on them if I'm barking up the right tree. Still no other flat bolts though. About halfway down the page: http://collectiblefirearms.com/RiflesMauser.html

Now the hard part. I have literally no base to start from on this rifle. I can't find anything on the internet except for info on a couple 0f similar ones that were listed on other sites several years ago, and none are exactly like this. The ads I found are all from 6-9 years ago, and they ranged from $1200-$3000 depending on condition and whether scoped or not. So where to begin with an unknown rifle? I have to believe that not finding a single image or description of a rifle exactly like this one does verify that very few were brought back to the USA as a war trophy, like Mr. Edwards did this one. It is listed with papers he kept with his army discharge, along with the other guns he brought home. The question is: does rare equal value? I don't know. I have to start somewhere, so here goes my newly-edited and much lower price: $650 shipped and insured.
 
I believe you're on the right track in thinking you'll need to remove the action from the stock. I'll bet there's a wealth of info hidden from view: more proofs, caliber/chamber markings and possibly a maker's mark. It shouldn't be difficult if it's like other 98's.
 
Sugar River said:
I believe you're on the right track in thinking you'll need to remove the action from the stock. I'll bet there's a wealth of info hidden from view: more proofs, caliber/chamber markings and possibly a maker's mark. It shouldn't be difficult if it's like other 98's.


I may try to look it up on the 'net this evening and see how to do it without me messing up anything. Thanks.
 
I would also suggest removing the stock to look for markings, as there are almost certainly more below the woodline. The crown proof marks actually were using until '39; yours indicate final inspection and black powder proofing, but not whether the gun is rifled or smoothbore and not nitro proofing. I would suggest the others are either under the woodline or were scrubbed in the engraving process. The might also be markings on the underside of the bolt handle. The "odd cartridge" I was referring to is 8.15x46r: pics of the bolt face might tell us whether it has been opened for this cartridge, and a .308 casing would not fit in the chamber of such a gun (but would fit in a typical Mauser x57 chamber).
 
Sporting rifle built in Germany on a 98 Mauser action. It was very likely a military action, originally. There was a cottage industry in Germany after WWI (and after WWII, for that matter) building sporting rifles from the military Mausers left over from the Great War. There were hundreds of master gunsmiths/gun makers there and most of them didn't mark their work. There are many, many thousands of rifles similar to yours in the US, both brought back as war trophies and purchased commercially. This example is nicely done, but I would not call it rare.

It is most likely in 8mm Mauser (either the 8mm J or, more likely, the 8mm JS. Slugging the bore would indicate which.), but the aforementioned 8.15X46R cartridge is quite possible. 8.15X46R was a very popular target/sporting cartridge in Germany from the late 1800s all the way up through WWII. It is similar in power to the lower end of our .30-30.

The buttplate is most likely pressed horn, rather than plastic. I can't tell from the pictures, but horn was very frequently used on such rifles.

The flat piece of metal on the rear of the bolt is the safety. 9 o'clock position is fire. 12 o'clock position is safe, but the bolt can be worked. 3 o'clock position is safe and locks the bolt in place.
 
I have different, and hopefully better, pics that I will upload tonight. Price has been adjusted way down from my original $1200 asking price. $745 shipped & insured. ------> Now $650 shipped and insured.

One last time: $600 shipped and insured.
 
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