10/22 what is the best trigger group on the market?

[Weapon Wizards]

Hi All,

I am currently using replacement BX-Trigger on my 10/22 TD however wondering if there is sth better out there.
I did some research in the past and I have found 3 options:

• Volquartsen TG2000 Trigger Group
• KIDD Two Stage Trigger Unit for the .22
• Timney Replacement Trigger for the RUGER 10/22

Any of you have experience with above? Or maybe sth different to recommend?

BR,
Jarek

 

[GasGuzzler]

I did my own using some KIDD parts and some from various other places. Put it all in an older metal housing I stripped, sanded, and polished to look like chrome.

 

[contender]

Welcome to the Forum!


If you can find a long out of production Jewell trigger group,, they are extremely good. But expect to pay for it.

I just saw you are from Poland. I seriously doubt you'll find a Jewell over there. I've only seen a few long ago,, and they were pricey back then. In the early 2000's a buddy got one,, & spent $200 for it then.

 

[gunzo]

The Kidd 2 stage offers the lightest pull available that I'm aware of, 3oz. first stage & 3 oz. second stage for the obvious total of 6. Other pull weights available.
Their single stage can be had as low as 1.5#. Kidd triggers are generally considered at the top of the game.

Next is a 1.5# Jard single stage for a bit less money than Kidd. Not quite as well known as Kidd, but Jard has been around a while, & I've not read bad reviews. This might be the happy place for the conventional feel of a single stage, pull weight & price.

No body else is in the same weight class as the above that I'm aware of. Wondering if any of the rest would beat a good BX as far as pull weight. Maybe, but not by much. A gunsmith company that specializes in 10/22 triggers is called Brimstone. They can sometimes take a BX trigger down to 2#. Maybe or maybe not available to you.

Good luck on what you can get imported,,, & happy shooting.

 

[Weapon Wizards]

Thank you for quick reply.
I am travelling to US from time to time so looking what is there on the US market

Brimstone and Jewell sound like tricky to buy (especially in short period of time) so I will skip those.
Most of you point to KIDD - thenk you for recommendation.

Anybody tried out Volquartsen or Timney?

 

[gunzo]

Now that some more info has come to light in the other thread. The Kidd triggers, either 2 stage or single offer the lowest pull rates known for a 10/22 that I'm aware of, & I try to stay aware in these matters.
Even though my 2 stage is 3-5 ounces per stage, I have a bit of trouble dealing with it. Much more practice needed I think. Also, thinking of changing to a different trigger shoe to test. Kidd offers options.
Otherwise, the Kidd single stage is the lowest in the business I think.
Volquartsen & Timney are both good companies, but simply don't offer the lower pull rates that Kidd does.

 

[JAYDAWG]

Kidd.
I have most al the rest.
Kidd for sure.
No need to buy the trigger group, the $120 drop in is killer.
Didn't care for the 2 stage, but I'm shootin' for fun, not competition.
Cheers,
JAYDAWG

 

[Weapon Wizards]

Ok you have got me convinced now

 

[GasGuzzler]

I am much more impressed with the Volquartsen parts I have in my 22/45 than the KIDD parts in my 10/22. Nothing wrong with KIDD but saying they have the overwhelming best is a bit hyperbole. KIDD used to be just another start up selling parts on eBay but has grown.

 

[gunzo]

"Kidd got his start selling parts on Ebay" That's as funny as a fart in a scuba tank. He Graduated gunsmithing school in '85 & started business. Became Chief pistol smith for the Army Marksmanship Unit & then head of the AMU's research & development dept. (2004-2008)
Now I guess it's time to say(somebody will) that some what he learned about firearms was with our tax money.

But I think 10/22 triggers are the discussion & a Volquartsen can't touch the Kidd.
Kidd, 1.5 # pull for $285
Vol 2.25# for $296
If competing I'm sure I'd pick the Kidd & it wouldn't be to save 11 bucks. Other parts from various makers? An extractor for instance, give me a Vol, Tandemkross or a Kidd, they're all good.

 

[GasGuzzler]

Weird statement. You misunderstood ... KIDD got his start (selling parts mainstream) on eBay (not Ebay).

1.5 isn't better than 2.25 unless all you care about is weight. And $11 is only 4% so the cost difference matters not. My 22/45 has Volq parts and a one pound trigger. I didn't even have to use an entire kit. Just wonder how anyone can say one is that much better than the other. It's just an opinion. I have some KIDD parts on my 10/22. Good stuff? Sure. Way better? Kinda can't be proven, especially with so much gusto.

 

[Weapon Wizards]

No need to argue as opinion bases on your personal preference. Some may like Kidd over Volq some the other way around. What would be most interesting if sb had both of them and can compare (it is still biased by personal preference but much better than discussion between 2 people where each had just one of the brands).

 

[WAYNO]

I have, or have owned, Volquartsen, Kidd and Jard complete trigger groups, which have been installed on multiple 10/22's over the years. They are all three so marvelous, I could not tell you which is best. Ironically, whichever one(s) I still own, sit in a drawer while my 10/22 Target Tactical, my most accurate 10/22 ever, wears a BX trigger. It's not as light as the others, but once I installed it, it works so well I just never got around to trying the others on this rifle.

And I owned a Brimstone-upgrade once. Their least costly upgrade. It was disappointing and would not compare to these newer BX triggers.




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[Johnnu2]

I'd keep it simple and go with the BX........
These kinds of things can get into over-thinking and overspending.....
Keep It Simple S-----

J.

 

[gunzo]

Dependability is job one, & with most of them it's a given. Without that they wouldn't be on the market long. So, other than weight of pull, what would one be after?

I mention Kidd only because they offer the lowest rate of pull in a single stage trigger for the 10/22 that I am aware of & I know them to be dependable. No brand pushing here. Had it been the Acme Trigger Co. I would have mentioned that.

Hope you can acquire whatever you choose. Have fun & good shooting !

 

[Weapon Wizards]

Thx Wayno - very nice input

Wrapping up BX is nice enough, Volq and Kidd will be even better if you are looking for a lighter pull.
What it really gets I believe is to get used to the one you own (BX or Kidd or Volq) and the you can shoot reliably.

 

[kmoore]

Throwing in some more information. High dollar triggers are made to do certain things extremely well. There best trigger for you may not be the lightest. Spend as much time as possible on those 2 companies' websites to learn what makes a trigger better for different needs.
Just mentioning this because this is what I do. But I don't shoot any type of competition, I just want a smooth, crisp, light weight trigger. 2 lbs is fine with me.
I went to a big box store that had the Ruger BX triggers on sale. There in a container that allows you to cock and fire them. I went through a pile of them. Picked out several that were better than others. Then picked out the best of those. It was a great trigger, but I added KIDD trigger springs. There in a 3 in a pack, of different weights. I made that cheap trigger even better. That made me upgrade other parts to make the rifle even better with more KIDD parts. I realize you did not ask about other upgrades, but they are many resides just a trigger. They take some disassembly and time to install them. For me I can do all that stuff and like too. So, dropping in parts to get a better shootin rifle is rewarding for me. I have since built my own triggers from KIDD parts and or upgraded factory 10-22 triggers with BX.
So, mail order a BX trigger may not be the best of the best they make. Spending a few hundred more on the high dollar triggers mentioned will always be a better choice if you can't test it before buying. Or you can't or won't build a trigger at your home.

 

[contender]

One thing that hasn't been directly answered is "What purpose is the gun to be used for?" Many comments have danced around that concept,, but it hasn't been addressed by the OP.
If competition is the purpose,, then what KIND of competition? USPSA? Steel Challenge? Long Range precision?
If a hunting gun, or casual gun,, then maybe a top of the line, super light trigger may not be the best trigger to get.

For the OP, since you get to visit the USA occasionally, maybe try & find a way to attend a range or match that is suited to your desires,, and visit it. Most often,, shooters are quite happy to allow a new guy to try "their" guns!

Just today,, at my range,, we had a USPSA match. And as always,, a lot of discussion among the shooters about their preferred equipment. And after the match,, with permission & a RO present, a few guns got "tested" by others. Quite often,, it's the PCC bunch with all kinds of different builds to play with.

 

[Weapon Wizards]

Vaild points guys.
The idea to mod the BX trigger with Kidd parts (springs) is tempting - maybe I will go in that direction. Thank you Kmoore - is it really that easy - just changing the spring or is it only part of the modification? Care to share the link to the product?

As for the purpose this is also important - in my case I am doing both target shooting (short range 25-50y) and dynamic so looking for good all-rounder. I tend to agree with gunzo that light trigger pull is usually best for both (you just need to learn how to use it in both cases) however smooth operation is also important.
Therefore 3 springs with different weight sounds as the best solution where you can choose proper spring for the task - light pull for target, heavier for dynamic.

For longer range shooting I and using Ruger Precision Rimfire (100-200y). If you want to ask why .22 and not sth more powerful (less drop) I will just mention that ammo is pretty costly around here (and sometimes unavailable if you are using sth not very common) so you either need to make your own (more investment in equipment needed) or you shoot rarely and I would like to avoid that.

 

[kmoore]

Vaild points guys.
The idea to mod the BX trigger with Kidd parts (springs) is tempting - maybe I will go in that direction. Thank you Kmoore - is it really that easy - just changing the spring or is it only part of the modification? Care to share the link to the product?

As for the purpose this is also important - in my case I am doing both target shooting (short range 25-50y) and dynamic so looking for good all-rounder. I tend to agree with gunzo that light trigger pull is usually best for both (you just need to learn how to use it in both cases) however smooth operation is also important.
Therefore 3 springs with different weight sounds as the best solution where you can choose proper spring for the task - light pull for target, heavier for dynamic.

For longer range shooting I and using Ruger Precision Rimfire (100-200y). If you want to ask why .22 and not sth more powerful (less drop) I will just mention that ammo is pretty costly around (and sometimes unavailable if you are using sth not very common) here so you either need to make your own (more investment in equipment needed) or you shoot rarely and I would like to avoid that.

Go to the KIDD website, they have lots of stuff. Also, videos, Q and A about their stuff.