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PostPosted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 12:48 pm 
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:cry: This is my first posting to this group and I'm sorry it has to be a sad one. On March 12th, 2011 I was at my local indoor shooting range firing my Ruger GP-100 Serial number 175-13XXX Model 01705 (Catalog KGP-141) using Sellier and Bellot factory ammo (see images below) when on round number 39 my weapon suffer a catastrophic failure. The range gunsmith was needed to open the cylinder and extract the 3 unfired rounds as well as the two fired rounds (see images) as well as show me the cracked cylinder with the failed round still fused inside.
Please help me. What do I do now?

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Image of the Damaged Ruger. A testament to Ruger toughness as nobody was injured.Thank You Ruger.
Cracked Cylinder
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Close Up
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The two rounds fired before the failure
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Close up of fused round in damaged cylinder
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Here is an update for all the questions you have been asking with photos:
I do not reload
The person with the french manicure is NOT ME! :D :D
(Its my wife actually)
I have instructed my son, whose dirty nails have caught everyones attention, to CLEAN them (in a nice way of course)

Here is a shot, side by side, of a brand new box of S&B next to the rest of what was left after the incident
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Here is a closer look see
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Here is the open barrel area, whatever you call it. Somebody wanted to see it

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UPDATE: As of 03.23.11 only Ruger has responded to my call for help and the GP-100 should be on its way to Ruger as you read this. Many thanks to a gentleman by the name of Gil at Ruger for facilitating this. More to follow.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 12:53 pm 
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Dang! Glad you're hand's OK!
Looks like possibly a defective case to me.... :?
I suppose that somewhere on the box there is a "CYA" though...(eg "We take no responsibility...."

Welcome BTW, wish it was under different circumstance! :shock:

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 12:58 pm 
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I'd certainly contact S&B with the Ammo info. My guess, and it's only a guess, is that an error was made at the S&B factory.

The small "S" that appears on the rear face of the Ruger cylinder is their "Proof Mark", which signifies that Ruger "proof tested" the cylinder prior to shipping. That's S.O.P with ALL Ruger centerfire revolvers.

I'm glad no injuries occured :shock: !!!!

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 1:04 pm 
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I would also call Ruger and have the gun sent back to them.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 1:09 pm 
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Bucks Owin wrote:
Dang! Glad you're hand's OK!
Looks like possibly a defective case to me.... :?
I suppose that somewhere on the box there is a "CYA" though...(eg "We take no responsibility...."



If the ammo was being used as it was designed, the " cya" won't hold water IMHO.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 1:12 pm 
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I'm assuming that the bullet in that round exited the barrel? I think that was definitely the fault of an overpressure round of ammo. I would think S&B would reimburse you for the gun. Otherwise what will it take to repair the gun- a new cylinder? Is the forcing cone ok?


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 1:47 pm 
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It is obviously a defective round, since the gun had been fired many times before without a problem.

If it was mine, I would send pictures to S&B and also to RGR for analysis instructions regarding the repair to the gun.

Ruger will fix the gun all right, the question is who will pay the bill?

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I'm a little curious as to why you joined two forums, just in the last few days, just to post this, though.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 2:52 pm 
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chris_ wrote:
I'm a little curious as to why you joined two forums, just in the last few days, just to post this, though.


Hmmmm, probably to gather ideas regarding what action to take. Issue arises so one turns to the internet for solutions/ideas. A search turns up the 2 Ruger forums, seems like a perfect place to ask so one registers and asks their question. Guess we're all supposed to join and have our initial reasons to be 100% positive.

My suggestion...call (don't e-mail) the ammo manufacturer and see what they say. Follow that up with a call to Ruger. Have pen/paper handy to get names and what they say.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 5:28 pm 
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Are you sure these are factory cartridges?

The factory S&B ammo I have has non plated primers (brass colored). I only have samples in .223 and 9mm so it could be that they do use, or have used plated (silver colored) primers in their .357 ammo. In addition to the brass color, the 9mm primers have had a splash of red coloring applied to the primer/case head.

I've always had this nagging feeling that it would be very hard prove that it was "factory ammo" that caused a failure, particularly if you are a hand loader.

Consider where you purchased the ammo. Is it possible the ammo could be reloads -- maybe a mix up of some kind?

Not trying to cause trouble, just thinking about the questions you might get from the fatory(s).

Paul


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 5:36 pm 
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chris_ wrote:
I'm a little curious as to why you joined two forums, just in the last few days, just to post this, though.


His post is a totally legitimate post on a forum.

What you (the original poster) should do is telephone both the ammo manufacturer and Ruger and make sure you've got responses from both before you send the gun anywhere.

I have had this happen once, and the ammo manufacturer arranged to replace the gun. One way or the other, someone will take care of it for you for free. They will be glad, as we are, that you weren't hurt, and they will be happy to make you happy enough to keep lawyers away from this.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 6:01 pm 
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Welcome to the forum. Please post the information you receive when you contact Ruger and Sellier & Bellot. It might take some time and repeat contacts with both companies. I would like to know how this gets resolved. Glad no one was hurt.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 6:15 pm 
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Life no longer has meaning. I never thought that a Ruger could fail like that. And I've been shooting them for 50 years.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 6:26 pm 
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paul105 wrote:
Are you sure these are factory cartridges?

The factory S&B ammo I have has non plated primers (brass colored). I only have samples in .223 and 9mm so it could be that they do use, or have used plated (silver colored) primers in their .357 ammo. In addition to the brass color, the 9mm primers have had a splash of red coloring applied to the primer/case head.

I've always had this nagging feeling that it would be very hard prove that it was "factory ammo" that caused a failure, particularly if you are a hand loader.

Consider where you purchased the ammo. Is it possible the ammo could be reloads -- maybe a mix up of some kind?

Not trying to cause trouble, just thinking about the questions you might get from the fatory(s).

Paul


Whenever I shoot at a indoor range that I use during bad weather I have to shoot factory ammo and I happen to shoot this load alot bacause it's accurate and cheap well that is the cheaper of the choices. I usally throw the empties away because I only reload certain brands of brass but I had these laying around. Once fired factory loads.
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