RugerForum.com

This is a Ruger Firearms enthusiast's forum, but it is in no way affiliated with, nor does it represent Sturm Ruger & Company Inc. of Southport, CT.
It is currently Sat Oct 16, 2021 12:50 pm

All times are UTC - 7 hours [ DST ]




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 39 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2, 3  Next
Author Message
PostPosted: Sun Sep 20, 2020 6:09 am 
Hawkeye

Joined: Tue Dec 25, 2007 8:11 pm
Posts: 10049
Location: missouri
I worked at a farm consignment auction yesterday helping my auctioneer Cousin. After the sale, I was loading my purchases and talking with one of the main consigners and another man I didn't know. This man was eyeballing my G2S and asked to see it. I didn't know the guy but man I did know gave a an "OK" nod so I drew the pistol and cleared it before handing it over.
He gave it the typical once over and commented that he was "surprised that I carried it with a round chambered" as he handed it back. I replied that it wasn't big enough to use for a club and if I needed it, I didn't intend to waste time loading it. Then he says "Well at least you can keep the safety on". Nope, don't use the safety either, there's no way it can fire unless the trigger is pulled.
I don't think he believed me nor felt I was a very safe pistol packer as I walked away while re-chambering a round.

_________________
Mobuck


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Sep 20, 2020 7:03 am 
Hunter

Joined: Sun Aug 05, 2007 1:01 am
Posts: 4579
Location: GA
A lot of folks have different attitudes about guns. Personally I carry a pistol that doesn't have an external safety with a round chambered. I was talking with a guy at work one day & he was asking me questions. I explained to him that as long as the pistol is in a holster that covers the trigger guard the trigger can not be pulled & the pistol will not go off. He thought about it for a second, shrugged his shoulders & said the holster is the safety. If I am out shooting & decide to do drills from the holster I am very careful when putting the pistol back into the holster.

_________________
GeorgiaCarry.orgMember


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Sep 20, 2020 7:36 am 
Hawkeye
User avatar

Joined: Tue Nov 15, 2005 2:01 am
Posts: 16432
Location: Greenville, SC: USA
It has to do with training and feeling comfortable with a gun.... on the extreme keep in ming those that are totally afraid of guns are that way because they aren't comfortable with themselves and a gun... kind of like the fear of heights... you can walk right to the edge of a tall building and look down and nothing is going to happen unless you make it happen... but there is an underlying fear in some / many people that they will lose control and jump.

I'm probably an extreme in that I've spent a lot of my own money (not the government's) on training and a good bit of that training has been when NOT to use a gun in a stressful situation.

I also carry with one in the chamber and the gun doesn't have a safety. Personally, I think a safety on a semi-auto pistol is for those folks not totally comfortable with a gun.

_________________
Blume
CSIA #599 DCS

"Don't ever think the reason I'm peaceful
is because I don't know how to be violent."

"I'd rather Die while I'm Living than live while I'm Dead"... Jimmy Buffet


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Sep 20, 2020 8:38 am 
Hunter
User avatar

Joined: Sun Jul 19, 2015 4:04 pm
Posts: 2350
Location: Texas
.......... "this is my safety, sir"...........

_________________
Between Fort Worth and Waco
Fight only when you must. But if you must fight, do it like you're the third monkey tryin' to get on the Ark.
NRA Benefactor Member


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Sep 20, 2020 10:19 am 
Hunter

Joined: Sun Aug 05, 2007 1:01 am
Posts: 4579
Location: GA
blume357 wrote:
It has to do with training and feeling comfortable with a gun.... on the extreme keep in ming those that are totally afraid of guns are that way because they aren't comfortable with themselves and a gun... kind of like the fear of heights... you can walk right to the edge of a tall building and look down and nothing is going to happen unless you make it happen... but there is an underlying fear in some / many people that they will lose control and jump.

I'm probably an extreme in that I've spent a lot of my own money (not the government's) on training and a good bit of that training has been when NOT to use a gun in a stressful situation.

I also carry with one in the chamber and the gun doesn't have a safety. Personally, I think a safety on a semi-auto pistol is for those folks not totally comfortable with a gun.


Funny thing about heights. If there is a 6" I beam 20' above the floor & there is other stuff near it (within 4 or 5 feet) I can walk it & it doesn't bother me. If you put the same I beam with nothing within 10 feet of either side of it & I need to get out there I will still do it but I will crawl it. The crazy part is intellectually I know one way is just as dangerous as the other but having other stuff nearby (pipes, conduit or whatever) gives me an illusion of safety. It doesn't make sense.

_________________
GeorgiaCarry.orgMember


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Sep 20, 2020 10:30 am 
Buckeye

Joined: Wed Mar 29, 2017 9:14 pm
Posts: 1449
Location: Idaho
How many manual safeties are on say the standard double action revolver? That many people carried for decades and used in the military, police, hunting, self defense, target shooting. Those handguns worked pretty damn well with out the need to flip/ push/ pull on and off a manual safety before pulling the trigger.
And my gosh, they had a round ready to go with that pull of the trigger.
It's all about training and proper safe gun handling.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Oct 02, 2020 5:33 am 
Hawkeye

Joined: Tue Dec 25, 2007 8:11 pm
Posts: 10049
Location: missouri
"It's all about training and proper safe gun handling."

Correct!!
Up to this point, I've had ONE AD/ND in my life. That one occurred while hunting from an elevated stand as I was scooting around trying to line up on a moving deer. The 357 Blackhawk was cocked as I was twisting around to get a shot and I lost my balance. As I was grabbing for the safety rail with my support hand, I unintentionally triggered a shot. Bullet hit the ground at the base of the tree and deer ran away. No harm/no foul but lesson learned.
Over the decades that I've carried a firearm for various reasons, I've been privileged to avoid "accidents" while basically having a gun in my hand nearly every day for one reason or another. I'm "comfortable" with handling guns as opposed to some folks who handle a gun like it's a deadly viper intent on causing them harm. An experienced, confident "gun person" should handle a gun like a carpenter handles his hammer or a logger handles his saw.
I was watching an "info-mercial" utoob video a couple days ago. One of the guys was togged out in the usual "tacti-cool" vest, gloves, and mag pouches but handled the rifle like he'd never seen one before. That cost him and the advertisement a lot of credibility.

_________________
Mobuck


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Oct 02, 2020 10:43 am 
Blackhawk

Joined: Tue Oct 11, 2016 9:07 pm
Posts: 654
I own a P64, and the trigger-pull in double action is heavy, probably too heavy. My holster completely covers the trigger guard. This gun has an external hammer, but someone or something would have to hit it very smartly to cause it to fire, and in that event, i would already know that "something bad is going down"! I don't use the safety, i feel very comfortable with it in that mode. All of you have posted some very good points.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2020 7:59 am 
Hawkeye

Joined: Wed Aug 23, 2006 1:01 am
Posts: 7215
Location: Hutchinson, KS USA
kmoore wrote:
How many manual safeties are on say the standard double action revolver? That many people carried for decades and used in the military, police, hunting, self defense, target shooting. Those handguns worked pretty damn well with out the need to flip/ push/ pull on and off a manual safety before pulling the trigger.
And my gosh, they had a round ready to go with that pull of the trigger.
It's all about training and proper safe gun handling.


My P-90DC works just like my S&W 1917. No safety. And the trigger pull, DA and SA, is about the same.

_________________
...a sword never kills anybody, it is a tool in the killer's hand. Lucius Amadeus Seneca


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2020 2:04 pm 
Hawkeye

Joined: Fri Dec 16, 2005 2:01 am
Posts: 7755
Location: On the beach and in the hills
I'm surprised no one has mentioned the Israelis yet. They have a penchant for condition three carry.

A long time ago there was an officer that insisted folks carry 1911's condition three. Now he was new and anyone with more that a day out and about understood why and how to carry a 1911. No one paid attention to him. He railed and threatened. Then he learned and shutup.

_________________
Jeepnik "AKA Old Eyes"
"Every man should have at least one good rifle, and know how to use it." Dad
"Go low, go slow, and preferably in the dark." The old Sarge (he was like 25)
The man who says a thing can't be done is usually interrupted by the man who is doing it.
"Freedom is never more than a generation from extinction." Ronald Reagan


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Oct 08, 2020 4:33 am 
Hawkeye

Joined: Tue Dec 25, 2007 8:11 pm
Posts: 10049
Location: missouri
"I'm surprised no one has mentioned the Israelis yet. They have a penchant for condition three carry."
I've seen videos of the "Israeli draw/chamber/fire" technique and even tried to use it back when I was packing a Browning HiPower. There's a LOT going on during that sequence and the slightest bobble puts the user in a difficult situation. I decided it just wasn't for me and continued with cocked and locked (some call the condition 1{?}) until switching to the KP95DC which I carried for many years.
For one thing, in all but one of the very few times I've drawn my carry piece the person giving me cause to do so didn't even know my weapon was drawn.

_________________
Mobuck


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Oct 25, 2020 7:53 pm 
Blackhawk

Joined: Sun Oct 09, 2016 4:54 pm
Posts: 559
Location: Richmond, Virginia
It’s hard for me to imagine ccw’ing without a round chambered. For the record I’ve ccw’d a Glock 19 or a 32 for a long time.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Oct 25, 2020 9:47 pm 
Single-Sixer

Joined: Sun Jun 13, 2010 9:56 pm
Posts: 148
Location: Arizona
If you've ever needed gun for defense you know there's no time to chamber a round, it's just point & mash the bang switch. Having a 2nd hand free to work a slide presumes you're not wrestling an attacker w/ the other hand, knocked down, opening a door, holding a flashlight, etc..


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 5:18 am 
Hawkeye
User avatar

Joined: Tue Nov 15, 2005 2:01 am
Posts: 16432
Location: Greenville, SC: USA
I think what some folks who think they know about guns are thinking is in a deadly force situation if you draw and chamber a round that might deescalate it. I suppose there is such a situation... but my understanding and research tells me that in most situations of this type... you are in the position my father (who has seen the tiger) explained to me.

You only point a gun at a dead man. His point being, if you draw your weapon to stop the threat you've decided the threat is already dead. I know this goes a bit further than our current 'lawyering' says.... but in reality if one is ever in such a position.... it is more than likely true.

_________________
Blume
CSIA #599 DCS

"Don't ever think the reason I'm peaceful
is because I don't know how to be violent."

"I'd rather Die while I'm Living than live while I'm Dead"... Jimmy Buffet


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 5:40 am 
Single-Sixer
User avatar

Joined: Mon Jan 02, 2017 6:41 am
Posts: 132
Safeties on semi-autos come from the Condition 1 days of SA pistols like the 1911 and BHP. Oh, and as I recall from several decades ago the SAS carried their BHPs condition 3 and racked as they drew.

_________________
Ruger MkII, LCP, 10/22 SS Takedown, & American Rimfire
Walther PPS - Classic, P99AS & P99c; Browning Hi Power; SAR K2-45; S&W 442 & MP357; FEG PA-63; and SIG P239 & P226R
NRA Life Member
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 39 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2, 3  Next

All times are UTC - 7 hours [ DST ]


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group