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PostPosted: Wed Nov 20, 2019 12:50 pm 
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even the 327 Federal would be on the bottom if my list for adequate self defense guns. My reason is in a true self defense situation, where the offender is also armed!!

In Ohio it is only legal to confront another with any firearm if you are in "IMMINENT DANGER"! Not like the idiot in Florida who shot the guy because he was confronted and pushed down for confronting the guy's wife,,, Thankfully!

In any situation I would be legally allowed to use a firearm the need for the first at least second shot has to control the situation or I am probably going to be the victim! That is how I look at a responsible self defense weapon!

For me I want 45 caliber, or 12 ga. if for home defense. But for carry if you like movies and want to judge real life in a situation on Death Wish then a 32 S&W is very effective????

But where taking aim is useless, you don't have time in real life defense to take aim, so accuracy is useless, the only thing that matters is the fact any shot impacting has to either stop, or interfere with the asalant being incapacitated enough to keep them from making a reliable return shot, and that to me means hit them hard, and hit them first, because my life depends on it!! I felt on a 1911, and could care less about 6 shots, let alone the 9 I have if needed, it's them first 3 I care about, and believe if I have not taken control of a life or death situation by then, it doesn't matter how many or what I do after that, I'm probably going to be visited by the coroner! even the 45 colt in the bond would be my choice over either 32's in real self defense,, we are saving our life, not attacking or going to war in "TRUE SELF DEFENSE"! cans are dead at 50 feet!

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The last gun I own I would use for self defense is my 32 S&W or my 327 Federal, I'd turn to a 38 if forced to, but still would feel very vulnerable!! I will settle for nothing less than my 15 round 12 ga fer security at home!!
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I understand if one cannoy handel recoil and hit a paper plate at 15 or 20 yards, he has no choice, anything you hit something with is better anything you can't hit something with, that would be the only time I would consider a 32 caliber as a good choice for self defense! in my opinion anything from 35 caliber up is a much better choice, even a 38 special!

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 20, 2019 3:45 pm 
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I enjoy reading and writing about the subject. Yet somehow I feel I live in a peculiar area as what I see is entirely the opposite of what many on these various gun chat sites are posting. I live in SW Utah. Here you are allowed to open carry plus obtaining a CC permit is easy. Just sit through a 4 hour filibuster, or that was the way it was when I got mine 15 years ago.
That said you very seldom see open carry here! I am talking about in town, not in the boonies ATV riding or whatever. I get out as much as most people do yet in the city's I estimate I only see maybe a half dozen people a year OC. Now that doesn't sound much like what we read others are posting on these gun sites does it? I suspect CC is much more popular than many guess though.
As a guard for over 35 years I open carried and after the first month or so it was no longer a "novelty". I always went light as I could get away with, not 20 pounds of gun and equipment on my belt. I already pack a 100 pounds too much suet. My most pocket carried gun is a little Sig 238, a .380. Also use a S&W model 40 and my smallest belt carry is a S&W 3" model 36. When I aint laid up like this year my main pleasure is trail riding in our RZR UTV. Doing that I do carry larger caliber revolvers. I am first a revolver nut. That said if I had no guns but wanted one for carry-defense, my first choice would be a quality compact 9mm or maybe 38 super commander. If I think I need a sawed off I will stay home and take my chances. Send the wife.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 22, 2019 3:12 pm 
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I too am a .32 Mag fan. I regularly carry a S&W J frame in .32 H&R Mag. Love it. And I don't feel undergunned for daily defense carry.

Now, if I knew I were going to a gunfight (well, I probably wouldn't go!) I would want a 12 ga and a .45ACP. But both can be difficult to conceal (or get heavy) for day in/day out use.

I believe the .32 Mag is the most under rated cartridge in America.


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 12, 2020 3:32 pm 
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There are just too many better choices for home defense, however if this was all I had I would use it. My nightstand gun from 1976 to 1991 was a 38 special. From 1991 to today its a 9mm. My EDC on my person was the same. Life is too precious to limit yourself to a caliber that is smaller than a 38 special and is not easily found for purchase at Wal-Mart. True there is always reloading, but you can reload the larger and more common calibers as well. What you actually load in your gun to defend yourself with, should not be reloaded ammunition. Not that it won't work, but for civil liability afterwards. I've toyed with the idea of buying a .32 H&R myself but logic will not let me follow through. I consider it a great hobby round for hunting or target shooting, but not for saving my life or the lives of my loved ones.


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 12, 2020 6:37 pm 
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If you believe the claims from Buffalo Bore...and I do... their .32H&R mag, 130gr. Keith Plus P will penetrate 2+ feet of pig, including bone, etc. That’s what I’ve been carrying every day for several years in a 432 or 632. And, until recently with idiots running loose in mobs, I’ve felt completely confident that I had enough firepower. I still feel the round is correct...but I cannot reasonably carry 6 speed loaders...so I switched...temporarily to a P365 with 3-12 rd. Mags - not for the 9mm, but for the quantity of rounds available in a hurry.
My 16-4s are still among the top treasures in my herd.


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 12, 2020 7:42 pm 
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If someone really does CC all the time light weight and compactness go`s a long way. I have large caliber heavy revolvers and a 45 1911. Got a .44 mag, 44 specials, 45 colts, 357`s etc. I dont cc any of them. But I dont live in a demonrat run riot city either. I am a gambler. I feel okay going out to eat or walmart with a little sig 238 .380 in my pocket. A hand grenade in each pocket might be better but at 79 I am close to used up anyway and into comfort. I will admit though that at this stage of life I might be a more tempting target than when I was at thirty.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 13, 2020 11:22 am 
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I recently got a .327 SP-101 in the four inch barrel and I love it. I swapped swings and did some basic tuning and it is really nice now. I've just started reloading for it.

Looking at the manuals, what I find amusing is the very top loads in the .327 charts are slightly slower than my top loads in my Single Six .32 H&R. Skeeter and Dean did a lot of +P work with the .32 H&R and they actually published their loads... nobody would do that now. So IMO, the .327 is just a way to "load up" the .32 H&R to its potential while avoiding the chance one of those high pressure loads ends up in a weak top break H&R.

I've never carried a .32 H&R for self defense... just because the factory loads I would want to carry are anemic. Now that I have a four inch .327 and I can actually find some factory loads that are effective, I just might in some situations. I love that little gun. It is sort of in between my S&W M63 and my Security Six. Now that I have the action all smoothed out, it's a sweetheart. I'll be shooting that one for years... god willing!


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 13, 2020 7:17 pm 
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Well, it sure beats a .22, but I think there are better (read bigger caliber), choices. If it's all you have, then carry it, and as always, the easiest gunfight to win is the one you avoid. Heads up, aware of your surroundings and stay away from the bad areas of town or county. I own a pair of Rugers in .32 H&R plus a Smith 16-4. The Rugers are SA Single Sixes so not a good choice for CC, and the Smith is just too damned heavy with that full lugged bbl. Wish they'd made it with the usual M19 or M66 type of rib and with an old fashioned 'pencil' bbl.

If you can afford it and like a revolver, I'd vote for a 2-1/2" bbl'd M19 or M66 with six shot capabilities. If you can deal with 5 shots, the M60 .357 with a 3" tube makes a nice carry piece and the full lug on it helps with .357 recoil. It's my 1st choice for revolver carry when headed into town.

YMMv Rod (Pic of M60 with 3" bbl below...in my normal OWB holster)

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2020 12:46 pm 
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I've alternated between S&W .380 Bodyguard, a S&W 642 with 38+p hollow points, and a 3" SP101 in .327 with 85 grain hollow points with 100 grain SP back up. The Bodyguard and j-frame are way more comfy but both are snappy.

Hands down I'll take the SP101 shooting the 327 over the j-frame. Extra round capacity and excellent accuracy. Misfire, pull the trigger again though I've never had a FTF at the range. Extra weight keeps me on target better when point shooting. The 327 makes for an excellent trail gun too, and then you gain the versatility of chambering the other shorter .32 offerings. Win-win.

I carry three strips with 8 rounds, so I'm 30 rounds on my person, compared to carrying more strips of bulkier .38s to accomplish the same. I'm swapping out the 101 hammer spring with a Wilson next week just to improve DA.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2020 4:05 pm 
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As a backup gun to primary carry is where my pocket-carried S&W 431PD lies. The 100 grain XTP with a stiff dose of H110 pushes it right up there with 38 Spl loads fired from 2" snubbies.

I avoid the SD role for the 327 at 45k psi for the same reasons as listed above. I imagine my ears would never stop ringing.

Bedside has 12 gauge in the primary role, Sig Sauer P320 9mm in 2nd.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 01, 2020 7:08 pm 
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Location: Long Island, NY, USA
I spent 34 years in law enforcement, 20 of them as a firearms instructor, 15 years fulltime as primary instructor and rangemaster, and my last 3 years as unit chief of firearms and tactics training. This is my opinion:

The .32 H&R Magnum is a very viable choice for self-defense. While there are more "powerful" rounds available, the ability to shoot accurately is THE single most important factor in a deadly force encounter. For many, the .32 H&R Magnum is the upper limit of power and controllability.

Also, the .32 guns need to be lighter, smaller and easier to handle, and hold an extra round over a .38 cylinder.

I've conducted ballistic gelatin testing with factory and hand loaded .32 H&R Magnum loads. In terms of factory ammunition in a 2" barrel, the Hornady 80 grain Critical Defense round reaches an average 980 fps, penetrates nearly 14", and expands to nearly .40 calibre. If you can shoot that accurately, your choice of firearm should not be a worry.

Most people, and posters, have not been any closer to a deadly force encounter than a seat in movie theatre, or at-home Netflix, or YouTube video. After accurate shooting, other factors place higher in importance than choice of handgun calibre. In most shootings, the need for action takes place suddenly and quickly, and the person making the first hit is more than likely going to prevail. Most non-LE shootings don't involve multiple opponents, nor are the criminal perpetrators highly disposed to having a gunfight with an armed victim.

In retirement, I have the luxury of selecting my own weapons, and carry various types and calibres depending on need and personal preference. I have frequently carried a .32 H&R Magnum.


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 08, 2020 6:03 pm 
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https://www.luckygunner.com/labs/pocket ... s/#32HRMag

I like the 32 H&R. It's a great cartridge. There's not very much factory ammo I'd rely on for self-defense, it turns out, if I had an LCR or other snubby. I didn't know that back when I was actively searching for one (quite a few years ago now).


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2020 9:27 pm 
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I was on top of the .32 mag when it first came out. First I bought an H&R with a 3 digit serial number then the first single six I saw, which I still have. I very much remember buying them after seeing the ads comparing it to the .38 special.


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 25, 2020 6:26 pm 
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paboxcall wrote:
I've alternated between S&W .380 Bodyguard, a S&W 642 with 38+p hollow points, and a 3" SP101 in .327 with 85 grain hollow points with 100 grain SP back up. The Bodyguard and j-frame are way more comfy but both are snappy.

Hands down I'll take the SP101 shooting the 327 over the j-frame. Extra round capacity and excellent accuracy. Misfire, pull the trigger again though I've never had a FTF at the range. Extra weight keeps me on target better when point shooting. The 327 makes for an excellent trail gun too, and then you gain the versatility of chambering the other shorter .32 offerings. Win-win.

I carry three strips with 8 rounds, so I'm 30 rounds on my person, compared to carrying more strips of bulkier .38s to accomplish the same. I'm swapping out the 101 hammer spring with a Wilson next week just to improve DA.


Just a quick update. I replaced the hammer spring with the Wilson on my SP101 .327 Fed Mag, and I also replaced the hammer spring on my S&W 642 with the MCARBO kit.

Both were easy to swap out, and now both triggers are remarkably better. My wife had a hard time with the 642 snubby before the hammer spring change out, and now can handle the DA pull with better accuracy.

Its an easy swap, literally anyone could do the job if you're at all unsure about doing it. The online videos will walk you through it.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 14, 2021 7:07 am 
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Best SD 32 H&R round .. Hornady 80gr FTX


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