I'm realizing that now more than ever as I get older. I only voted for that con-job to keep Hillary and Joe out.
People are getting used to seeing armed citizens (or not)
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I'm realizing that now more than ever as I get older. I only voted for that con-job to keep Hillary and Joe out.
Ka6otm
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We've had open carry for a long time, but you don't see it that often and I'm always looking. The last time was at Fry's Supermarket around 2 weeks ago.
kcsteve
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An adult can carry a handgun, openly or concealed, in Tennessee without a permit.
I rarely see open carry but, when I do I say a little prayer that they know what they are doing.
I rarely see open carry but, when I do I say a little prayer that they know what they are doing.
bookemdano
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Tennessee has had open carry with Permit since around 1990 and now has
2nd Amendment carry it seems that most feel as I do; carrying is for self
defense and the first person shot would be the victim carrying open.
I've carried concealed in TN and DC since 1969 and that has always been
my policy. My wife has carried concealed since 1990 and feels the same.
Dano
21 or older (or 18 or older for certain military members)
in lawful possession of the handgun (and not a prohibited person), and
in a place where their presence is lawful.
2nd Amendment carry it seems that most feel as I do; carrying is for self
defense and the first person shot would be the victim carrying open.
I've carried concealed in TN and DC since 1969 and that has always been
my policy. My wife has carried concealed since 1990 and feels the same.
Dano
Permitless Carry in Tennessee
As of July 1, 2021, an adult can carry a handgun, openly or concealed, in Tennessee without a permit, if the person is:21 or older (or 18 or older for certain military members)
in lawful possession of the handgun (and not a prohibited person), and
in a place where their presence is lawful.
Where as you have no such fear regarding concealed carriers.
There's a"channel" on YouTube called Active Self Protection, that I look at fairly regularly. Mostly it's crimes that are caught on CCT while it's going on. I've seen a couple of people releaved of their weapon quickly in the short time that they let their caution (awareness) down. It can happen quickly and when it does, invariably the person that made the grab is a criminal. No one is aware 100% of every moment they are walking around. It's in that moment, you have forfeited your legal weapon to a criminal, and you are suddenly at a disadvantage.
kcsteve
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Where did you read fear? Don't draw ill-founded conclusions from what you think that you know.
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I saw some footage as well. Dude is line at a convenience store and gets made by a misunderstood and economically disadvantage thug, walks up behind him reaches into the dudes front pocket and gets his gun. Did you catch that, the dude got made carrying in his front pocket. Off the hip is a cake walk. These low-lives can make you better than most cops.
The only real awareness would be knowing places and area's to avoid and perhaps times of day. And you have to profile, just keep it to yourself. I myself am a equal opportunity profiler.
So you know he probably didn't get made for his gun but rather the thought might of been his wallet.
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Ka6otm
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You said you're praying they know what they're doing. That's fear.
kcsteve
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No. Praying that someone knows what they are doing is not fear. Another poster said " I'll pray for the angry female…
In your mind did he fear the female?
What you are doing is called being a "troll".
I pray that you are not a "troll".
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You don't have enough real problems to pray over, Dramala.
kcsteve
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Oh how sweet. Another troll.
Zip it, Karen.
Zip it, Karen.
Okay, you're both tougher than a $2 steak. Let's get back to open carry
I have seen more than one video where the open carrier is relieved of his weapon. I see a lot of people open carry in real flimsy piece of crap Uncle Mikes type holsters and just have to shake my head. I could have walked up behind them and had myself a free handgun as they were oblivious to their surroundings. If you are going to open carry, at least invest in a good retention holster.
Being against open carry because some criminal might snatch the gun is like being against having a gun in your home because some criminal might break in and steal it.... I understand the concern and that it at times is a reality.. but y'all realized when the 2nd amendment was first being debated one of the arguments against it was that citizens would use guns unwisely ... but it was decided the benefits of an armed society outweighed the occasional negatives.
As with most things, you pays your money and takes your choice. If it's legal then it's legal. Heck there are a bunch of things that are legal I don't like. But I have two choices. Accept them or work to change them.
Of course if you are really that upset and open carry you can move somewhere it's not allowed. Problem solved.
Of course if you are really that upset and open carry you can move somewhere it's not allowed. Problem solved.
wv.citybilly
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I live in one of the most heavily armed States in America, and then, one of the most heavily armed counties.
Since it's basically every other house, I take it for granted that "everyone is armed". So when I see somebody at a church function with a pistol tucked in their pants, or wearing a belt at a grocery store that screams law enforcement, but they're probably not . . I think, "What a jerk".
Since it's basically every other house, I take it for granted that "everyone is armed". So when I see somebody at a church function with a pistol tucked in their pants, or wearing a belt at a grocery store that screams law enforcement, but they're probably not . . I think, "What a jerk".
contender
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As an instructor,, I see BOTH sides to the argument.
Here in NC,, open carry has been legal a long time. Yet,, until the recent years where the media hype has more people afraid of everything,, you didn't see it much. Yet,,, CCW was illegal, and a LOT of folks carried a gun concealed.
After CC was allowed,, some got permits, and others continued to ignore the law.
But having witnessed different occasions where open carry was observed by others, that created some form of reaction, I find it interesting.
Yes, some folks react with alarm, and call the cops.
Some folks just move away.
Some folks ask the carrier or others nearby about it.
And sometimes,, the discussions lead to some very fun conversations.
Some folks prefer to be extra cautious around OC folks.
What bothers me is that many who fail to accept open carry are not fully open minded. As blume mentioned,,, about the first arguments where having armed citizens possibly using guns unwisely. It does not matter if they are open carry or ccw,,, if they use it unwisely, they will be prosecuted.
And another thing, is you may not be comfortable with OC,, but the person who is carrying open, MAY very well have a very good reason to OC. I'll use myself as ONE example. I'm in & out of my truck often. My job,, I have to wear a tool belt & carry a lot of stuff. Carrying concealed can be uncomfortable, or even dangerous. So,, I opt to open carry a lot when not going to a customers house. And having a holster on my belt is a sign I have a gun. Many of my customers are in Asheville NC,, and it's a liberal area. I don't want to scare my customers. But I do wear a very solid gun belt on my pants. And all I do is tuck it tightly into my waistband w/o a holster. Kinda like an exposed IWB holster rig. But I also keep myself aware of my surroundings all the time. SITITUTATIONAL AWARENESS. I have trained myself to never let someone get behind me that remotely looks like a potential thug. I actually turn my gun side away from that type often. I've even stepped out of line a few times when I felt a little uncomfortable.
But I'm not going in & out of places all the time w/o my gun. And CCW as well as any holster is not MY normal ease of carry to where I have access if I needed it. I have my CCW permit, and use it sometimes. But, I've had several different reactions to my OC. Once,, a pair of non english speaking laborer types see it,, and my helper overheard them say; "Pistola, pistola!" They kept AWAY from me. A deterrent maybe? Another time, an elderly lady asked me if it was a 1911. Then she proceeded to share with me how HER 1911 was one of her most favorite handguns. That raised a few eyebrows at the Lowes CS desk.
Or the lady who saw a guy with a big OWB holster, drop leg, and a Glock enter a wally world. This was not long after a wally shooting & was all over the news. She stopped me and said she wasn't sure if I was someone to ask, but she was a little concerned. We had a very pleasant conversation, for several minutes. And ONLY when I turned my side to where she could see my gun did I hear; "Oh, YOU have a gun too!" She had not seen it.
And I especially liked the day I went with a friend, (and an occasional lurker here,) to a car dealership. They owed him a part, and he took time off to go get it. Upon arrival, they didn't have it, or thought one they had was the one he needed. He was carrying CCW, and I was OC. As he got very upset with them,, and was having a "serious" discussion,, I noticed a few salesmen kinda watching everything,, and especially me,, BECAUSE of my gun. He was the upset one, and they worried about me. Yet, I politely and calmly asked for the manager. ANd when he came, I calmly & politely asked; "Why not take the part out of one of your in stock vehicles, and give it to him, and order that one's replacement?" The manager saw that was a very easy way to fix things and did so. As we were finishing up, I noticed the salesmen weren't around anymore. I made the comment; "I see your sales people were watching me a lot." He replied they'd seen my gun & worried. To which my buddy said; "He's not the upset person, I was. And I'm carrying too!" The look was priceless.
But back to the overall discussion of OC.
Many different people can have different reasons to carry. Some prefer CCW,, and that's FINE, and has advantages.
But some people also carry Open,, and that too is fine,,, for we as simple observers who are strangers may not know the WHY a person is OC. I say give them some respect.
I look at it like this. If a person is carrying,, at all, they are a legal, law abiding citizen. I prefer them over the thugs & anti's.
BTW; Look around. See how many guys carry a good sized knife on their belts. And look at that person in general. My LEO son & his cop friends say it's a pretty good sign that the knife carrier is a convicted FELON!
Here in NC,, open carry has been legal a long time. Yet,, until the recent years where the media hype has more people afraid of everything,, you didn't see it much. Yet,,, CCW was illegal, and a LOT of folks carried a gun concealed.
After CC was allowed,, some got permits, and others continued to ignore the law.
But having witnessed different occasions where open carry was observed by others, that created some form of reaction, I find it interesting.
Yes, some folks react with alarm, and call the cops.
Some folks just move away.
Some folks ask the carrier or others nearby about it.
And sometimes,, the discussions lead to some very fun conversations.
Some folks prefer to be extra cautious around OC folks.
What bothers me is that many who fail to accept open carry are not fully open minded. As blume mentioned,,, about the first arguments where having armed citizens possibly using guns unwisely. It does not matter if they are open carry or ccw,,, if they use it unwisely, they will be prosecuted.
And another thing, is you may not be comfortable with OC,, but the person who is carrying open, MAY very well have a very good reason to OC. I'll use myself as ONE example. I'm in & out of my truck often. My job,, I have to wear a tool belt & carry a lot of stuff. Carrying concealed can be uncomfortable, or even dangerous. So,, I opt to open carry a lot when not going to a customers house. And having a holster on my belt is a sign I have a gun. Many of my customers are in Asheville NC,, and it's a liberal area. I don't want to scare my customers. But I do wear a very solid gun belt on my pants. And all I do is tuck it tightly into my waistband w/o a holster. Kinda like an exposed IWB holster rig. But I also keep myself aware of my surroundings all the time. SITITUTATIONAL AWARENESS. I have trained myself to never let someone get behind me that remotely looks like a potential thug. I actually turn my gun side away from that type often. I've even stepped out of line a few times when I felt a little uncomfortable.
But I'm not going in & out of places all the time w/o my gun. And CCW as well as any holster is not MY normal ease of carry to where I have access if I needed it. I have my CCW permit, and use it sometimes. But, I've had several different reactions to my OC. Once,, a pair of non english speaking laborer types see it,, and my helper overheard them say; "Pistola, pistola!" They kept AWAY from me. A deterrent maybe? Another time, an elderly lady asked me if it was a 1911. Then she proceeded to share with me how HER 1911 was one of her most favorite handguns. That raised a few eyebrows at the Lowes CS desk.
Or the lady who saw a guy with a big OWB holster, drop leg, and a Glock enter a wally world. This was not long after a wally shooting & was all over the news. She stopped me and said she wasn't sure if I was someone to ask, but she was a little concerned. We had a very pleasant conversation, for several minutes. And ONLY when I turned my side to where she could see my gun did I hear; "Oh, YOU have a gun too!" She had not seen it.
And I especially liked the day I went with a friend, (and an occasional lurker here,) to a car dealership. They owed him a part, and he took time off to go get it. Upon arrival, they didn't have it, or thought one they had was the one he needed. He was carrying CCW, and I was OC. As he got very upset with them,, and was having a "serious" discussion,, I noticed a few salesmen kinda watching everything,, and especially me,, BECAUSE of my gun. He was the upset one, and they worried about me. Yet, I politely and calmly asked for the manager. ANd when he came, I calmly & politely asked; "Why not take the part out of one of your in stock vehicles, and give it to him, and order that one's replacement?" The manager saw that was a very easy way to fix things and did so. As we were finishing up, I noticed the salesmen weren't around anymore. I made the comment; "I see your sales people were watching me a lot." He replied they'd seen my gun & worried. To which my buddy said; "He's not the upset person, I was. And I'm carrying too!" The look was priceless.
But back to the overall discussion of OC.
Many different people can have different reasons to carry. Some prefer CCW,, and that's FINE, and has advantages.
But some people also carry Open,, and that too is fine,,, for we as simple observers who are strangers may not know the WHY a person is OC. I say give them some respect.
I look at it like this. If a person is carrying,, at all, they are a legal, law abiding citizen. I prefer them over the thugs & anti's.
BTW; Look around. See how many guys carry a good sized knife on their belts. And look at that person in general. My LEO son & his cop friends say it's a pretty good sign that the knife carrier is a convicted FELON!
Contender, your last few sentences are very true. In the cop world we (I used to) call that an indicator. It's not a profile or profiling its a indicator that many Felons do carry a large or other open carry knife. At the same time many non felons maybe carrying a good sized knife for any other reason. To make my point further, If that guy was also wearing a black leather motorcycle jacket with a gang name on it then it was more than a indicator.
