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PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 7:13 pm 
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I've had my new Blackhawk .357 out to the range a few times, and I've been shooting mostly .38 Special reloads in it. One reload that I have tried is a pretty hot one - CCI550 magnum primer/125 gr. XTP/14.5 gr 2400. My data indicates that I can move up to a 158 gr. jacketed bullet with 13.5 grains of 2400, which should propel the bullet at approximately 1,300 fps.

Of course, my powder of choice for reloading high power ammunition for both .30 Carbine and .45 Colt Ruger Blackhawk is H110.

I have never seen any reloading data for .38 Special using H110, however.

Has any of you found such data and reloaded for .38 Special +P++ using H110?

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 7:34 pm 
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No, H-110 is unsuitable for the 38 spcl, maybe you can find some data in a dark alley somewhere. A medium to faster handgun powder is where you want to be, plenty of good ones out there.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 7:46 pm 
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38 Special is only ~21k psi, no where near the ~35k psi of the 357 Mag, and H110 just isn't safe at that low of a pressure.

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Put that H-110 in the 357 magnum case and really think twice about hot-rodding the 38 special. Sure your Blackhawk can take it but what if one of those ultra-hot 38 specials gets away from you? 8) 8)

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Get yourself some 357 brass for that load, no need to take chances.

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 Post subject: I will stick with 2400
PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 6:20 pm 
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Thanks for your input men.
I kind of thought that that is what I would hear.
For high speed .38 Special reloads, I'll stick with 2400 and Blue Dot, and for target velocity loads, Unique and Bullseye.
And, I am only reloading the higher power ammo with the brass cases from .38 Special +P factory loads.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 5:27 am 
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While one can load 38 spcl cases to the high side, when fired in a 357 mag gun I never liked the idea of doing so. I don't care how careful one is, there is the potential for that load to end up in the likes of a 'J' frame S&W 38 spcl etc.. It's just one detail in our favor to avoid such a mix-up down the road.

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I hear alot of people like Blue Dot in the .38 Special but I've never had any luck with it. Velocity is always way off published data even in a long barrel and it leaves alot of residue. Am I missing something here?

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Use 2400 for hot 38's. And I agree, H110 isn't a good choice.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 5:02 pm 
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sourdough44 wrote:
While one can load 38 spcl cases to the high side, when fired in a 357 mag gun I never liked the idea of doing so. I don't care how careful one is, there is the potential for that load to end up in the likes of a 'J' frame S&W 38 spcl etc.. It's just one detail in our favor to avoid such a mix-up down the road.


Well, that is a good point you've made. I do see what you mean here, and this could certainly be a danger. And this is why on the days that I take the Blackhawk .357 to the range, I do not shoot my J-frame Smith & Wessons at the same session.
I shoot the J-frame concealed carry .38 Specials only on days when I am shooting Blackhawks in other calibers. That way, there is no chance of mixing up ammo and getting a hot reload intended for the Blackhawk in one of my J-frame Smith & Wessons.
Also, all of my reloaded ammunition is carefully and clearly marked.

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 Post subject: I haven't noticed.
PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 5:07 pm 
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FergusonTO35 wrote:
I hear alot of people like Blue Dot in the .38 Special but I've never had any luck with it. Velocity is always way off published data even in a long barrel and it leaves alot of residue. Am I missing something here?


Excessive residue I have not noticed. And I have had good accuracy with 110 gr JHP bullets on top of 8.1 gr Bluedot. Again, this is a +P+ load, intended for .357 magnum revolvers only.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 5:12 pm 
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Lee Martin wrote:
Use 2400 for hot 38's. And I agree, H110 isn't a good choice.


13.5 gr 2400 behind a 158 gr bullet is a favorite load of Elmer Keith, according to Handloads.com

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 9:35 pm 
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I don't see any loads for 38spL using H110 either, all I find is 357+P loads for H110. I like to use Win. 231 myself for 38spL

Have you looked on Hodgdon powders web site at the loads they list? they have lots of free loading data using their powder there.

Might not hurt to try a new powder I know H110 is your pet powder but you might find there are many others that work very well.

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 Post subject: Re: Elmer Keith
PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2012 12:42 pm 
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Rugerbilly wrote:
Lee Martin wrote:
Use 2400 for hot 38's. And I agree, H110 isn't a good choice.


13.5 gr 2400 behind a 158 gr bullet is a favorite load of Elmer Keith, according to Handloads.com


I was of the impression that particular load was an all a round load for a .357 mag. It works well in my 3 inch sp-101
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2012 3:00 pm 
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Worst case scenario, the reloader met an untimely demise, happens all the time. After a few months of grieving most of the reloads are given away to a distant relative who happens to be a shooter. Yes, he's read about cautions with another's reloads, but he trusted the work of Uncle 'Joe'.

He eventually gets around to shooting the upper end 38's in his older J frame. I don't think it's to hard to imagine it playing out like that. If anyone ends up with my reloads, they can shoot with confidence. Just throwing out ideas.

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