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 Post subject: Model 77/44 carbine
PostPosted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 1:06 pm 
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Hi to all! I am new to this forum so bare with me. I recently purchased a 77/44 carbine and can't seem to get it to group any better than a 4 or 5 inch group at 100 yards. How are others doing? Any help or advise?I was hoping to hunt with this rifle but would like to shoot better groups. Thanks , happy shootin' !


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 1:16 pm 
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Are you shooting free handed, from a bench. scope or open sights?.
If with a scope and rested may need to try some other loads to try. If open sights and or free handed then thats not bad at 100.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 1:18 pm 
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A good barrel scrubbing after a few "break-in" shots (including copper removal) will often help a new rifle. With a .44, a 2" group is about as good as it's going to get, and you may have to try several ammo types to get that. 2" at 100 yards, though, qualifies as "minute of whitetail"... and if you're considering shots much over 100 yards, a .44 ain't the rifle... the energy is falling off pretty fast, and the trajectory is starting to look like a rainbow. Inside of 100 yards, it's hard to beat a short, light .44.

I shoot a 96/44, and get my best groups with a 240 grain Hornady XTP loaded just a bit under max - 1.5 to 1.75 inch 3-shot groups. Any other 240 grain jacketed softnose or hollowpoint shoots 2 to 2.5 inch groups. It shoots fair with 300 grain bullets, and lousy with 200 grain bullets.


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 5:15 pm 
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I think you might find that the Hornady XTP HP's will just about the best grouping in our 44's.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 6:28 pm 
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I have a thread here where I was bemoaning getting 1 1/2" groups @ 100 yards!

Do you handload? Was that with factory ammo?

One thing to remember, this is not a high powered rifle. That bullet is in the barrel for a long time. Anything you do until it leaves will affect accuracy. Hold the muzzle down when shooting from a bench. Do not allow free recoil. This is the only way you are going to determine ammunition's accuracy with this rifle. Get it sighted in like that and then use some support and shoot like you would when hunting or using it for whatever you are going to use it for.

I took a bit of water soluble valve grinding compound to mine. More strokes at the chamber end and only about 30 or 40 strokes, total. Just enough to get rid of the machining marks.

These rifles have a fast twist which is better for heavy bullets BUT, I did get my 1 1/2" groups with a 240gr XTP @ 1800fps. The load is with a MILSURP powder, WC820 and it loads with H110/W296 data. Mine is a little slower than that even and is outside of the current published data for H110/W296. No pressure signs in my rifle though and again, it is accurate.

Hope this helps.


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 6:30 pm 
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I am shooting Hornady Leverevolution 225 grain bullets from a rest and shooting 100 yards. I hunt in heavy timber so a 100 yard shot would be about max. I would be happy to shoot two inch groups off the rest if possible, thanks.


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 6:57 pm 
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My rifle is blue/walnut and I bought it in 1998 - it shoots well with Hornady 265 bullets over 23 grains of H110.

Good Luck!

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 7:35 pm 
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Your 1998 blue/walnut rifle, is it a bolt action carbine or lever? Is that 265 grain bullet the hornady? thanks.


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2011 1:52 am 
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Try some heavier bullets. All my various 44 ruger rifles have shoot best with bullets over 250 grains. 240s are accurate enough but 255 grain hard cast or 250 grain nosler partitions are extremely accurate.


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2011 9:11 am 
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Ok, I guess I need to try some heavier bullets, thanks to all for the help!


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2011 9:39 am 
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As mentioned in another thread about the 77/44 some of the older rifles didn't shoot nearly as good as the newer rifles with the synthetic stock. I believe there might have been some bolt or other issues that Ruger addressed with the new run of 77/44's

If you are shooting factory ammo try Federal Classic or American Eagle soft or hollow points. 8) 8)

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2011 10:43 am 
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American Eagle 44's do shoot well for me too. :)

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2011 3:02 pm 
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elk,
Find someone that reloads. Take him your cases and ask him to load up a maximum load of H110 and a Hornady 240gr XTP. There is no need for a heavier bullet than that. With H110/W296 starting off with a maximum load is not dangerous as they don't recommend reducing that powder much anyway. There is NO way you can get enough of that powder in a case to blow up your gun. You can do worse with that combo if you load too light and stick a bullet followed by a full power load.

Try it, you will like it! ;)


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2011 5:42 pm 
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I will have to try that an see what happens, my rifle is the bolt action camo carbine, great gun but I want to group a little better like I said, I'll take your advise and see how it goes. Thanks a lot!


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2011 8:28 pm 
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I purchased a 77/44 bolt gun a few years back and 4" groups with a wandering zero were the best it would do. I tried for about a year to find a fix but could not. I suppose the saving grace was that these rifles are no longer made and easy to resell, which is what I did.

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