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 Post subject: 41 magnum trajectory?
PostPosted: Sat Sep 10, 2011 6:01 pm 
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Assuming comparable good bullet/powder choices can the 41 magnum shoot a flatter trajectory than either the 357 or the 44 magnums? Thanks, Dennis


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I have heard that they can, a lot, but have yet to prove this to myself. Still working on a good load for the .41.


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 10, 2011 11:33 pm 
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This is from the Federal website. These are standard for caliber rounds and their trajectories. Factory ammo.
357-158gr, 41-edit(210gr), 44-240gr, Can you see a difference? 8) 8)

357 Magnum
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41 Magnum
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44 Magnum
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Thanks! I'm guessing the 41 mag bullet is really 210 grains. I guess what I'm seeing is that you can get the same kind of trajectory but with successively larger and heavier bullets as you shoot bigger big bores. But if I shoot the same weight bullet say 240 in the 41 and in the 44 magnum don't I get a flatter trajectory further out with the 41? Thanks, Dennis


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I don't have a graph like that...but when I take whacks at whistle pigs over 100yds I can tell you that I grab less front sight with the 200gr 41 than with the 240 44....BUT... About the same with the 357 158gr SWC...

Know your load and gun.... cause generally speaking there are a lot of variables you never mentioned like speed and bullets design.


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I guess I'm trying to understand the 41 magnum better (I'm waiting for mine to arrive) and ever article I read says that compared to the 44 mag it has less recoil and is "flatter shooting." Dennis


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Discounting any recoil effect it is as simple as velocity and gravity. 240 grain 44 or 210 grain 41... Gravity affects each the same. The faster bullet covers more ground in the same amount of time. Equates to "flatter shooting" :D


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You have to take into account the rate at which the bullet slows down due to wind resistance. Smaller dia. bullet means less wind resistance and will slow down at a lower rate and cover more ground in less time and have a flatter trajectory. This is assuming the same initial velocity.


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Just pick an accurate load (and a suitable bullet) for your purposes and SHOOT A LOT.

No better way to understand. Graphs get you an idea but the field is the true test of any bullet and whast could be more fun.

You'll be fine once you practice....a better question concerns the leather you intend to carry her in....that way even when you miss, you still look good.


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The facts are standard for caliber bullets in 357, 41, and 44 all have aprox. the same trajectory in the factory loadings. Any of that can be changed with a different bullet or a different loading. Put a lighter bullet in any of them and it becomes flatter shooting with less energy. :shock: :shock: :mrgreen:

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I like to lay flat when shooting. 'Cause I'm lazy.

The 41 Magnum offers nothing except a different cartridge; no advantages over the 44.

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http://www.chuckhawks.com/handgun_recoil_table.htm
Pistol Wt. (lbs.) Recoil E. (ft. lbs.) Recoil V. (fps)
357 Mag. (158 at 925) 2.75 4.0 9.7
.357 Mag. (158 at 1070) 1.75 9.4 18.6
.357 Mag. (158 at 1250) 2.75 8.7 14.3
.40 S&W (155 at 1200) 1.5 10.6 21.3
.40 S&W (165 at 1080) 1.5 9.3 19.9
.40 S&W (180 at 1027) 1.5 10.4 21.2
10mm Auto (180 at 1295) 2.25 11.4 18.1
.41 Mag. (210 at 925) 2.75 6.6 12.4
.41 Mag. (210 at 1300) 2.75 15.6 19.1
.44 Spec. (240 at 750) 3.0 4.5 9.9
.44 Rem. Mag. (200 at 1000) 3.0 6.7 12.0
.44 Rem. Mag. (200 at 1219) 4.1 6.3 10.0
.44 Rem. Mag. (200 at 1295) 4.1 7.2 10.6
.44 Rem. Mag. (200 at 1326) 3.0 11.9 16
.44 Rem. Mag. (225 at 1239) 3.0 12.4 16.3
.44 Rem. Mag. (240 at 1144) 4.1 8.0 11.2
.44 Rem. Mag. (240 at 1172) 4.1 8.4 11.5
.44 Rem. Mag. (240 at 1200) 4.1 8.9 11.8
.44 Rem. Mag. (240 at 1271) 4.1 10.0 12.5
.44 Rem. Mag. (240 at 1450) 3.0 22.5 21.9

this gives some raw data showing relative recoil numbers

The heavier the slug the faster it moves the greater the recoil, moderated by the heavier the gun weighs, along with some other factors.

41 mag with similar velocity and boolit weight has lower measure recoil than 44 mag, so sez the chart.

Amazing just how close many loads are on this chart though.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 1:07 pm 
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There you go, the chart proves it. At 100yds, the .41 drops .5" less than the .44 (at some bullet weight). Now I am an internet expert and can justify the existence of the .41 to everyone.

Sorry for the sarcasm, I never saw how .019" could be worth all the hoopla of a new cartridge- pure marketing.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 2:29 pm 
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COR wrote:
Just pick an accurate load (and a suitable bullet) for your purposes and SHOOT A LOT.

No better way to understand. Graphs get you an idea but the field is the true test of any bullet and what could be more fun.


10X.. :wink:

None of them are a .220 Swift, best plan is to shoot a lot, learn to estimate range and how much front sight to hold up... 8)

(Varmiting is a great teacher if you have it available.. :wink: )

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 8:47 am 
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re: "I never saw how .019" could be worth all the hoopla of a new cartridge- pure marketing."

in an industry that labors to produce infinite variety to satisfy and encourage every imaginable ballistic flavor, of course 'marketing' is a strong driver.

Look at the virtual infinite array of all kinds of calibers and factory loadings that overlap, duplicate and otherwise vie for consumer validation via purchase of product otherwise left on the shelf.

Look to the rifle calibers, which otherwise identical, have different names. And the bottom feeder list is long and repetitious as well, just sticking to the nominal "38 cal" size.

I for one prefer 41 mag for my own use, over any 44 mag I've ever shot. Don't pretend it's somehow "better"....only that I 'like' it more.

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