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 Post subject: RUGER VS FREEDOM ARMS
PostPosted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 8:48 pm 
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Is it better to just modify the Ruger or buy the FA which has ALL the attributes I want instead of the wait and added expense of modifying the Ruger? I will only shoot 45 Colt but will it harm the FA 83 at all? TNX


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 8:52 pm 
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If you have a custom smith do the work you get a gun just the way you like it.

But if you like the FA gun, then its faster to order one, and they quite nice; like excellent. I hate the hammer. I mean, HATE it.

If you are only going to fire 45 Colt, then you might look at the smaller framed FA 1997 in 45 Colt...

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 11:15 pm 
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I'd just keep my eyes peeled for a FA on the used market. Even with a few rounds through them, they're phenomenal guns. The quality is hard to surpass...


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 3:18 am 
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I don't mean to change subject or hi-jack. The difference between the 83 and 97 is the frame size? The 83 being large frame?

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 3:52 am 
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Yes, the 83 is larger than the 97. It can also handle the larger, stouter loads in 45 Colt than the 97 or larger OAL of cartridges from what I remember. TNX for the replies.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 6:11 am 
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sc1911cwp wrote:
Is it better to just modify the Ruger or buy the FA which has ALL the attributes I want instead of the wait and added expense of modifying the Ruger? I will only shoot 45 Colt but will it harm the FA 83 at all? TNX


If you shoot a lot of .45 Colt cartridges out of a .45 calibre Model 83 you'll eventually encounter "difficult chambering" due to a build up of "crud" in the '83's extended, .454 Casull calibre chambers.

Solution? Purchase a second cylinder chambered for .45 Colt.

I have a couple Model 83's and cherish them dearly.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 6:52 am 
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Only you can answer this question. I fully appreciate FA's in all their glory but they leave me a little cold. More of a sterile precision instrument. A little too German and not enough Italian, if you know what I mean. If I'm spending that much, I want to get exactly what I want. Not just order out of a catalog. I've probably also done my last stainless custom so that kind of narrows it down.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 7:26 am 
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I'm pretty much with CraigC's observations if I was hankering to get another. I do own two FA revolvers (an 83 and a 97) and they are incredible, precise instruments and it's a pleasure every time I handle them. However, for me, I'll always prefer the look, handling feel, and care of blued steel and walnut in handguns (and long guns).


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 7:30 am 
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Being a Major Ruger Fan!
Along with being a single action purest!
Freedom Arms is a top quality gun that almost 2nd to none, they are very fine tuned before they ship checked & rechecked to shot very well. Ruger does not do that & can not do that for the price you pay. You can buy 3 to 4 Rugers to shot for 1 Freedom Arms. IMHO, comparing Ruger to Freedom Arms is like comparing Apples & Oranges.
That being said I wish to own one some day in a 454 with the Octogon Barrel!

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If FA had a Bisley style hammer, that would do it for me.... and maybe a top strap more like Bowen does with the old S&W M&P style. I'm talking about the front edge of the top strap, where the barrel meets up.

Cold and sterile is a good description. But they are precision instruments, to be sure.

One other thing that bugs me about FA, though, is that you have to pay extra for a nice trigger job? What's THAT all about?

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I think SteveRuger & I are thinking alike. I have had the pleasure of touring the FA plant, and I can honestly say those folks have PRIDE in their work. It shows in the results. Yes, you pay more but it's as close to a custom firearm from a production facility as you can get.
The comments about cold & sterile were not felt by me. I'd love to own a FA, (And this is where Steve & I differ,) as mine wouldn't have an octogon bbl, but it would have the second cylinder Flatgate has mentioned.
Apples & Oranges my friends.
So, if the custom route is what you want, go for it. But, I think FA does it quite well.

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Third option. Magnum Research BFR. I hear from a gunsmith friend that they are very good and are tuned pretty well right from the factory. Half the cost of the FA. Lots of folks swear by them. Might want to have a look.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 10:32 am 
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What attributes do you want that a factory Ruger does not have? There is a whole lot of gun/fun wrapped up in a stock Blackhawk!

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Timber Wolf wrote:
What attributes do you want that a factory Ruger does not have? There is a whole lot of gun/fun wrapped up in a stock Blackhawk!


That's true. I think it depends on your intended use. If you want to plink and cowboy shoot, not much reason to buy anything more than the fine stock Ruger. If you are going to hunt at any significant ranges or if you want to compete, that's a different story. Triggers must be tuned, perhaps change springs. Cylinder throats investigated, particularly if you want to shoot cast bullets. Some calibers have better throats than others. I'm sure that's been covered here ad nauseum though. Just make a great gun even better. All that being said, you can still have one heck of a revolver and not spend anywhere near the BFR or FA pricing.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 11:43 am 
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Freedom Arms line bores their cylinders. i had this done to my 1858 Remington by gunsmith Rob Lewis and it is well worth the cost. He guarantees his guns to shoot under 1" at 50 yards, which is quite an accomplishment with black powder and round balls.

Rob has explained the process he uses:
He removes the barrel and installs a drilling jig and replaces the 44 caliber cylinder with a 36 caliber cylinder. He then cocks the gun and drills out the cylinder hole. When complete, all 6 chambers are perfectly aligned to the barrel.

As Rob has explained in detail, production manufacturers such as Ruger and Smith & Wesson do not use this process, but rather drill out cylinder holes on a production line basis. Just a litttle chatter in the drill bit can produce less than perfect alignment. Most production revolvers usually have 4 and sometimes 5 chambers in near perfect alignment. If you take an unloaded revolver, cock it and shine a bright light in the cylinder you can frequently see how well it is aligned to the barrel. Ever notice that the report from 1 chamber sounds different than the other chambers when fired? I would take that to be the chamber that is less well aligned than the others.

After seeing first hand how well a line bored gun can shoot, I would now consider purchasing one of Freedom Arms guns, which I previously ruled out due to cost.


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